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Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:09 am
by Skepdick
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:07 am
For example, How, EXACTLY, could I defend those whom I love if "others" were trying to harm them, when it is EVERY one that I love EQUALLY?
Then you would be lying about "loving everyone equally"
If you do nothing to prevent your family from being murdered then it sure seems you love the murderer more than you love your family.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:09 am
by Sculptor
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:07 am
Nice, haven't seen this before
I don't really listen to this sort of music anymore but they are masters of it.
TIl Lindeman is so ugly he is beautiful.
Having a black woman play the part of GERMANIA is masterful.
Pure art.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:12 am
by Age
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:06 am
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:02 am
And as for 'weapons of love' this is how DISTURBINGLY DISTORTED some adult human beings had become.
And some adults became so distirbingly distorted they were incapable of violence.
Okay.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:06 am
Even on the extremely rare and unfortunate occasions when the need arose.
WHEN is VIOLENCE EVER, SUPPOSEDLY, NEEDED?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:06 am
And they lauded their passivity as moral virtue.
Such are the comforts and complacencies of living in a society built by other people's sacrifices.
We AWAIT to AEW IF you WILL EVER ANSWER my QUESTIONS here.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:17 am
by Harbal
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:54 am
Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:52 am
I don't know what the general attitude here is towards gun ownership, but I've never seen anyone "melt down" over the issue.
So you don't consider your pejoratives and metaphors as comparing gun ownership to "childish play"; the casual dismissal of the idea; or in general the sort of behaviour that stigmatises guns and gun ownership and makes the topic a social taboo as a meltdown?
Correct; I don't consider that a meltdown.
The sort of virtue signaling that equates civility with passivity?
I'm not a virtue signaler nor a pacifist. I'm just someone who realises there is a difference between the exciting, shoot-anything-that-moves world of TV cops and robbers, and the real world of what a bullet entering a human body looks like.
I don't buy your gung-ho attitude towards the issue, anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if you'd never touched a real gun.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:20 am
by Agent Smith
I see, child, what the world has become. Go play in the garden lil one and don't ... never mind, just go and have fun, ok?
This is adrenaline speaking, what was the color of the man's eyes?
They were half red, bluish on the edges, brown towards the how the fuck should I know?!
Excellent! We're making such good progress!!
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:21 am
by Skepdick
Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:17 am
I'm not a virtue signaler nor a pacifist. I'm just someone who realises there is a difference between the exciting, shoot-anything-that-moves world of TV cops and robbers, and the real world of what a bullet entering a human body looks like.
I don't buy your gung-ho attitude towards the issue, anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if you'd never touched a real gun.
I don't buy the attitude you are conveying either, and I do wonder why you are conveying it.
Nothing about killing another person excites me. The thought of having to do it again and go through the self-doubt, legal process, a small fortune in legal fees and the stress of having over-stepped some legal technicality and potentially going to prison gives me gut-wrenching nausea.
But I will do it if it's necessary.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am
by Wizard22
I've never handled a gun in my life.
But the security, comfort, peace-of-mind, and serenity I grew up with in the United States, seems to have gone completely. Now I feel there is a level of animosity, distrust, hatred growing in the US that will not be alleviated anytime soon, as the fabric of Western society pulls further apart. The Anglican dynasty is failing, and being replaced with monstrous, base elements of humanity. So what are the next steps of a faltering, stagnant, decaying society? Crime spikes. Westerners should be realistic about this.
I may need to purchase and own a firearm, to protect me and my own. Will it bring me comfort? Will it make me feel 'more secure'? No, it makes me feel worse, that I need to defend my life at all.
I feel that the 2nd Amendment of the United States is sacred—as Tyrants and Fascists around the world want to deprive Americans of our Right to self-defense.
It's a slave-morality, wanting to disarm others because you-yourself have been disarmed. Just because you have given-up your Sovereign Rights to defend your own life, doesn't mean that everybody else should, or that it's something to be Proud about.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:26 am
by Dontaskme
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:57 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:53 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:32 am
So every person for themselves? Nice society you got there.
Yes it is a nice society where I live, where grown ups are not shy in taking responsibilty for their own self by understanding is it wrong to be hostile to another person, or make another kid an orphan in favor of their own kids chance of survival, and that it's just plain wrong to kill other people. They simply don't need some thing called a ''gun'' to protect them from the big bad evil world of do unto others what they intend for you before they get in first. They know how to cooperate with other people in a civilised way without resorting to violence and mass killing sprees.
Great! So if the members of your society are so civil and reasonable why do you need any laws against gun ownership?
That's like saying is it a legal requirement that everyone should arm themself with a gun to protect themselves from the lawless. As if owning a gun is some kind of insurance policy that unless you have a gun to protect yourself from the lawless, then it's your own fault that your personal life and everything that you deemed beloved in your world has turned to shit for not owning a gun. We simply don't have such laws like taking out insurance plans in the form of personal gun owning self-protection schemes, else your on your own, and ain't no one else going to protect you from lawless behavior available in the UK
It's not like we are against guns, we just dont see them as a necessary object to have in one's life in order to feel safe that's all. I mean it's not like they are banned, or against the law to own, because anyone can own a gun here, but people choose not to, because people here do not feel as though their life is under threat everytime they leave their front door. And that is why there are less mass shootings here in the UK than there are in the US, simply because there are less gun owners to carry out these mindless attacks.
There is no force on earth to stop the lawless from being lawless. But gun ownership is not the answer, it's a false sense of security that only perpetuates the fear of living in a lawless society. And that is why we make laws to protect ourselves from our irrational false sense of securities.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:29 am
by Skepdick
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:26 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:57 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:53 am
Yes it is a nice society where I live, where grown ups are not shy in taking responsibilty for their own self by understanding is it wrong to be hostile to another person, or make another kid an orphan in favor of their own kids chance of survival, and that it's just plain wrong to kill other people. They simply don't need some thing called a ''gun'' to protect them from the big bad evil world of do unto others what they intend for you before they get in first. They know how to cooperate with other people in a civilised way without resorting to violence and mass killing sprees.
Great! So if the members of your society are so civil and reasonable why do you need any laws against gun ownership?
That's like saying is it a legal requirement that everyone should arm themself with a gun to protect themselves from the lawless. As if owning a gun is some kind of insurance policy that unless you have a gun to protect yourself from the lawless, then it's your own fault that your personal life and everything that you deemed beloved in your world has turned to shit for not owning a gun. We simply don't have such laws like taking out insurance plans in the form of personal gun owning self-protection schemes, else your on your own, and ain't no one else going to protect you from lawless behavior available in the UK
It's not like we are against guns, we just dont see them as a necessary object to have in one's life in order to feel safe that's all. I mean it's not like they are banned, or against the law to own, because anyone can own a gun here, but people choose not to, because people here do not feel as though their life is under threat everytime they leave their front door. And that is why there are less mass shootings here in the UK than there are is the US, simply because there are less gun owners to carry out these mindless attacks.
There is no force on earth to stop the lawless from being lawless. But gun ownership is not the answer, it's a false sense of security that only perpetuates the fear of living in a lawless society. And that is why we make laws to protect ourselves from our irrational false sense of securities.
It's nothing like that. You live in a civil and reasonable society.
Everybody should arm themselves if they want to.
Or disarm themselves if they want to.
Guns should be neither necessary nor not necessary. They simply don't occupy any space in the social discourse - they are neither an issue nor a non-issue. Gun ownership is neither the answer nor not the answer - gun ownership is not even a question.
So why do you have laws against them?
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:30 am
by Age
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:31 am
Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:24 am
If that kind of scenario is prevalent enough in your country to be treated as a significant possibility, it is truly tragic.
Can you explain to me the difference between "significant" and "insignificant" possibilities?
YES, but doing so would just be taking 'this' FURTHER DOWN SOME SIDE TRACK.
Now, as WAS being POINTED OUT, if you feel the NEED to carry a gun, because you are SCARED for your safety from 'that society' you live in, then 'that' IS Truly TRAGIC.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:31 am
The possibility of being murdered in the UK is more significant than the possibility of being murdered in Switzerland.
SO WHAT?
Are you suggesting that there should be MORE GUNS introduced into "united kingdom"?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:31 am
Switzerland has no meltdowns about gun ownership.
The UK does.
Okay, but so what?
Did you see the figures in the opening post?
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:31 am
by Wizard22
And yet the alternative is depending upon the effectiveness and efficiency of your Central Government, to protect your life for you...
Maybe you don't live in the United States. But there are levels of distrust that are more than warranted.
Until a government proves to a near certainty that they can protect their Citizens (they can't), or that they even care (they don't), then, yes...I'd recommend fellow Americans to strap up.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:32 am
by Harbal
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am
I feel that the 2nd Amendment of the United States is sacred—as Tyrants and Fascists around the world want to deprive Americans of our Right to self-defense.
It's a slave-morality, wanting to disarm others because you-yourself have been disarmed. Just because you have given-up your Sovereign Rights to defend your own life, doesn't mean that everybody else should, or that it's something to be Proud about.
That's so American.
Actually, I have friends in America, and they are not at all like you and your kind, so maybe the place isn't as bad as the impression the rest of the world has of it.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:34 am
by Skepdick
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:31 am
And yet the alternative is depending upon the effectiveness and efficiency of your Central Government, to protect your life for you...
Maybe you don't live in the United States. But there are levels of distrust that are more than warranted.
Until a government proves to a near certainty that they can protect their Citizens (they can't), or that they even care (they don't), then, yes...I'd recommend fellow Americans to strap up.
The entire distincton between government (protectors) and people (protected) is bogus.
We are all members of society. We all have rights and responsibilities under the constitution and the law.
I don't need to be a police officer to enforce the law, it's just a social necessity to have that function/job within society so somebody does it full time.
But there are small communities/villages where law enforcement , and fire-fighting and medical practice is performed strictly by volunteers/civilians.
It's just a function of scale. The larger the society - the more sense it makes to specialise individuals into roles.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:35 am
by Wizard22
Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:32 amThat's so American.
Actually, I have friends in America, and they are not at all like you and your kind, so maybe the place isn't as bad as the impression the rest of the world has of it.
Not all Americans are rich hoighty toighty liberals with $1,000,00.00 in the bank and walled by gated communities.
You should branch-out of your friends network, mon ami.
Re: WE NEED MORE GUNS..
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:36 am
by Skepdick
Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:32 am
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am
I feel that the 2nd Amendment of the United States is sacred—as Tyrants and Fascists around the world want to deprive Americans of our Right to self-defense.
It's a slave-morality, wanting to disarm others because you-yourself have been disarmed. Just because you have given-up your Sovereign Rights to defend your own life, doesn't mean that everybody else should, or that it's something to be Proud about.
That's so American.
Actually, I have friends in America, and they are not at all like you and your kind, so maybe the place isn't as bad as the impression the rest of the world has of it.
Do you have black friends also?
I bet you can generalise to millions of people from the handful of friends you have.