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Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:29 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:20 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:30 am
i believe that it's impossible not to believe things, if you have a functioning brain.
Okay.
But if what you BELIEVE is true here was actually NOT true, then would you want to hear it?
Yes of course. Beliefs are contingent on evidence, and we can always find out more.
Okay.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:34 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:20 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:30 am
i believe that it's impossible not to believe things, if you have a functioning brain.
Okay.
But if what you BELIEVE is true here was actually NOT true, then would you want to hear it?
Yes of course.
It is possible to not believe things, while there is a functioning brain.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Beliefs are contingent on evidence,
But some of 'you' BELIEVE things with NO evidence AT ALL.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
and we can always find out more.
Yes, VERY True.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:39 am
by Agent Smith
1. Some claims cohere (with others) or are useful. They're not true in the sense "the moon reflects sunlight" is true.
2. There's this joke about Socrates who refused to listen to what his friend had to say because it was
not certain, not useful, and
not going to make him happy (Xanthippe was having an affair).

Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:30 am
by Maia
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:34 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:20 am
Okay.
But if what you BELIEVE is true here was actually NOT true, then would you want to hear it?
Yes of course.
It is possible to not believe things, while there is a functioning brain.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Beliefs are contingent on evidence,
But some of 'you' BELIEVE things with NO evidence AT ALL.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
and we can always find out more.
Yes, VERY True.
Do you believe that when you typed those words, they would appear?
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:42 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:30 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:34 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Yes of course.
It is possible to not believe things, while there is a functioning brain.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
Beliefs are contingent on evidence,
But some of 'you' BELIEVE things with NO evidence AT ALL.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:27 am
and we can always find out more.
Yes, VERY True.
Do you believe that when you typed those words, they would appear?
NO.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:49 am
by Maia
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:42 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:30 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:34 am
It is possible to not believe things, while there is a functioning brain.
But some of 'you' BELIEVE things with NO evidence AT ALL.
Yes, VERY True.
Do you believe that when you typed those words, they would appear?
NO.
Why bother then?
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:51 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:49 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:42 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:30 am
Do you believe that when you typed those words, they would appear?
NO.
Why bother then?
Because I also did NOT DISBELIEVE that they would appear, nor BELIEVE that they would NOT appear.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:56 am
by Maia
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:51 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:49 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:42 am
NO.
Why bother then?
Because I also did NOT DISBELIEVE that they would appear, nor BELIEVE that they would NOT appear.
Sorry, that's just sophistry. I'm willing to bet that you were confident they would appear. And there's no difference between that, and believing it.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:05 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:56 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:51 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:49 am
Why bother then?
Because I also did NOT DISBELIEVE that they would appear, nor BELIEVE that they would NOT appear.
Sorry, that's just sophistry. I'm willing to bet that you were confident they would appear. And there's no difference between that, and believing it.
LOL NO DIFFERENCE between 'confident' AND 'believing'?
Have you ever LOOKED in a dictionary, (and you do NOT need eyesight to LOOK and SEE 'things'), and if you have, then have you EVER NOTICED that each word HAS A DIFFERENT meaning or definition?
And, because each word has A DIFFERENT definition or meaning this means that there IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE between those two words and ALL words.
Oh, and by the way, I had NEVER even wondered if those, nor even these, words would appear or not. In fact I really do NOT care either way, and I CERTAINLY neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE that they would, nor will, nor NOT.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:29 am
by Maia
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:05 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:56 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:51 am
Because I also did NOT DISBELIEVE that they would appear, nor BELIEVE that they would NOT appear.
Sorry, that's just sophistry. I'm willing to bet that you were confident they would appear. And there's no difference between that, and believing it.
LOL NO DIFFERENCE between 'confident' AND 'believing'?
Have you ever LOOKED in a dictionary, (and you do NOT need eyesight to LOOK and SEE 'things'), and if you have, then have you EVER NOTICED that each word HAS A DIFFERENT meaning or definition?
And, because each word has A DIFFERENT definition or meaning this means that there IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE between those two words and ALL words.
Oh, and by the way, I had NEVER even wondered if those, nor even these, words would appear or not. In fact I really do NOT care either way, and I CERTAINLY neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE that they would, nor will, nor NOT.
In the real world, there's no difference. That's how we live in the world, by believing a whole load of things.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:34 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:29 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:05 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:56 am
Sorry, that's just sophistry. I'm willing to bet that you were confident they would appear. And there's no difference between that, and believing it.
LOL NO DIFFERENCE between 'confident' AND 'believing'?
Have you ever LOOKED in a dictionary, (and you do NOT need eyesight to LOOK and SEE 'things'), and if you have, then have you EVER NOTICED that each word HAS A DIFFERENT meaning or definition?
And, because each word has A DIFFERENT definition or meaning this means that there IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE between those two words and ALL words.
Oh, and by the way, I had NEVER even wondered if those, nor even these, words would appear or not. In fact I really do NOT care either way, and I CERTAINLY neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE that they would, nor will, nor NOT.
In the real world, there's no difference. That's how we live in the world, by believing a whole load of things.
You CAN speak for you and be CORRECT, but when you 'try to' speak for 'me' you will NOT be correct ALL of the time, like here now.
I NEITHER believe NOR disbelieve ANY thing (except for one thing). Can you comprehend this? Do you understand this?
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:44 am
by Maia
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:34 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:29 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:05 am
LOL NO DIFFERENCE between 'confident' AND 'believing'?
Have you ever LOOKED in a dictionary, (and you do NOT need eyesight to LOOK and SEE 'things'), and if you have, then have you EVER NOTICED that each word HAS A DIFFERENT meaning or definition?
And, because each word has A DIFFERENT definition or meaning this means that there IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE between those two words and ALL words.
Oh, and by the way, I had NEVER even wondered if those, nor even these, words would appear or not. In fact I really do NOT care either way, and I CERTAINLY neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE that they would, nor will, nor NOT.
In the real world, there's no difference. That's how we live in the world, by believing a whole load of things.
You CAN speak for you and be CORRECT, but when you 'try to' speak for 'me' you will NOT be correct ALL of the time, like here now.
I NEITHER believe NOR disbelieve ANY thing (except for one thing). Can you comprehend this? Do you understand this?
Of course I can understand it, but you are deceiving yourself, if that's what you really believe. Why bother getting up in the morning?
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:54 am
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:44 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:34 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:29 am
In the real world, there's no difference. That's how we live in the world, by believing a whole load of things.
You CAN speak for you and be CORRECT, but when you 'try to' speak for 'me' you will NOT be correct ALL of the time, like here now.
I NEITHER believe NOR disbelieve ANY thing (except for one thing). Can you comprehend this? Do you understand this?
Of course I can understand it, but you are deceiving yourself, if that's what you really believe.
LOL but I OBVIOUSLY do NOT really 'believe' 'it'.
So, I am NOT deceiving "myself", like those who BELIEVE things are true, which are NOT true. Like, for example, they can NOT even live nor function WITHOUT BELIEVING 'things'.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:44 am
Why bother getting up in the morning?
'To SEE what the day brings', as some might say.
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:57 am
by Maia
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:54 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:44 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:34 am
You CAN speak for you and be CORRECT, but when you 'try to' speak for 'me' you will NOT be correct ALL of the time, like here now.
I NEITHER believe NOR disbelieve ANY thing (except for one thing). Can you comprehend this? Do you understand this?
Of course I can understand it, but you are deceiving yourself, if that's what you really believe.
LOL but I OBVIOUSLY do NOT really 'believe' 'it'.
So, I am NOT deceiving "myself", like those who BELIEVE things are true, which are NOT true. Like, for example, they can NOT even live nor function WITHOUT BELIEVING 'things'.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:44 am
Why bother getting up in the morning?
'To SEE what the day brings', as some might say.
So you believe there such a thing as a day, then, and a bed to get out of?
Re: Beliefs
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:01 pm
by Age
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:57 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:54 am
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:44 am
Why bother getting up in the morning?
'To SEE what the day brings', as some might say.
So you believe there such a thing as a day, then, and a bed to get out of?
NO.