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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:09 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:15 am
Harbal wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:08 pm Is there anything worse than a person who is "passionate" about something?
Have no passion.
Why do we need to show passion? and why do we think we need to impose our need to show passion on others as if it's expected of them to do so?
Not showing passion, but having passion.

There is nothing worse than indifference.

Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
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bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:23 am There is nothing worse than indifference.

Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
There are certainly things that we shouldn't be indifferent about, but at least indifferent people tend to be nowhere near as irritating as passionate people. Besides, most people are fakes in some way, and to some extent, and it's far better to fake indifference than passion.
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bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:23 am
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:09 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:15 am

Have no passion.
Why do we need to show passion? and why do we think we need to impose our need to show passion on others as if it's expected of them to do so?
Not showing passion, but having passion.

There is nothing worse than indifference.

Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
Well maybe you should refrain from shirking away from your own responsibilty to face the fact that the universe is totally indifferent to any human emotional opinion about it. They shoot horses don't they.

Who cares about brain droppings? they are going to drop anyway, and no one ever forced you to witness all of this shit. Oh wait.. :roll: maybe you should be blaming someone else for this need for passion...namely your parents.

What's even WORSE...is imposing a birth on someone, when knowing full well the universe has absolutely no need or requirement for any human life to be born. The planet Mars is a good example...I'm sure the universe is just an absolute blubbering emotional wreck knowing there are no annoying little self-centred, selfish, high-maintenance sentient feeling life forms capable of inflicting pain and unimaginable suffering upon each other... I'm sure the universe is just delighted that at least some spaces are not being occupied with such unnecessary folly.


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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:45 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:23 am There is nothing worse than indifference.

Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
There are certainly things that we shouldn't be indifferent about, but at least indifferent people tend to be nowhere near as irritating as passionate people. Besides, most people are fakes in some way, and to some extent, and it's far better to fake indifference than passion.
It is one thing to pretend indifference, it is quite another to be indifferent.

Yes passion can be really irritating. But isn't polemos the father of everything?
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bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:17 am
Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
But this thread is about passion, which is a subject I feel very strongly about indeed, whereas I don't really have any views one way or the other on indifference. So let's just stick to passion.
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:17 am Yes passion can be really irritating. But isn't polemos the father of everything?
I only know about Necessity being the mother of invention, but Polemos could well have been the father.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:40 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:17 am
Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
But this thread is about passion, which is a subject I feel very strongly about indeed, whereas I don't really have any views one way or the other on indifference. So let's just stick to passion.
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:17 am Yes passion can be really irritating. But isn't polemos the father of everything?
I only know about Necessity being the mother of invention, but Polemos could well have been the father.
But the passion may or may not exist.

If there is, it can perhaps be managed in some way. But still there is.

If there isn't, then there is indifference.
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bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:46 am

But the passion may or may not exist.

If there is, it can perhaps be managed in some way. But still there is.

If there isn't, then there is indifference.
As is so often the case, a happy medium between the two is probably best. You seem to think it only possible to go to one extreme or the other, although it doesn't seem quite right to describe indifference as an extreme.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:40 am But this thread is about passion, which is a subject I feel very strongly about indeed,....
Um...I mean....oh, forget it.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:09 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:46 am But the passion may or may not exist.

If there is, it can perhaps be managed in some way. But still there is.

If there isn't, then there is indifference.
As is so often the case, a happy medium between the two is probably best. You seem to think it only possible to go to one extreme or the other, although it doesn't seem quite right to describe indifference as an extreme.
There may be more or less passion, but no more or less indifference.

Passion can be managed, by reasoning which best position to take.
By curbing passionate excesses or by consciously accepting the risk of following what feels right.
But the motivation is always the passion.

Instead indifference cannot be modulated. Indifference coincides with not being.
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Harbal wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:53 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm
I am not sure what you mean here.
That's disappointing, because I don't know either, and I was counting on your knowing.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm Passion adds intensity, of some kind. So to me it depends on what they are intense about and then also how the passion manifests.
It always seems to me that they are passionate about passion. The object of the passion is irrelevant, it's all about the passion itself. I mean, why would you want to spend your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody, when you could be taking part in a demonstration about global warming or transgender rights, and getting yourself arrested for public disorder while achieving absolutely nothing by it? But that takes passion.
Spending your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody. Now that takes passion.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:45 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:23 am There is nothing worse than indifference.

Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
There are certainly things that we shouldn't be indifferent about, but at least indifferent people tend to be nowhere near as irritating as passionate people.
Do passionate people have the same view?

Do people who are passionate about preventing further global warming also say that people who are indifferent to global warning are nowhere near as irritating as they themselves are? Or, do they find these indifferent people far more irritating than passionate people are?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:38 am Besides, most people are fakes in some way, and to some extent, and it's far better to fake indifference than passion.
Do you know any one who is not fake in some way?

If yes, then who is that one?
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Age wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:13 am
Spending your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody. Now that takes passion.
It would take more than passion for me; I haven't got a lawn. :)

But I agree, some people are passionate about their lawns.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:13 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:23 am
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:09 am
Why do we need to show passion? and why do we think we need to impose our need to show passion on others as if it's expected of them to do so?
Not showing passion, but having passion.

There is nothing worse than indifference.

Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
Well maybe you should refrain from shirking away from your own responsibilty to face the fact that the universe is totally indifferent to any human emotional opinion about it. They shoot horses don't they.

Who cares about brain droppings? they are going to drop anyway, and no one ever forced you to witness all of this shit. Oh wait.. :roll: maybe you should be blaming someone else for this need for passion...namely your parents.

What's even WORSE...is imposing a birth on someone, when knowing full well the universe has absolutely no need or requirement for any human life to be born.
But the Universe did need human beings, or some other Truly intelligent species, to be born, for a particular reason.
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:13 am The planet Mars is a good example...I'm sure the universe is just an absolute blubbering emotional wreck knowing there are no annoying little self-centred, selfish, high-maintenance sentient feeling life forms capable of inflicting pain and unimaginable suffering upon each other... I'm sure the universe is just delighted that at least some spaces are not being occupied with such unnecessary folly.


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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:40 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:17 am
Not showing indifference, but being indifferent is the worst.
But this thread is about passion, which is a subject I feel very strongly about indeed, whereas I don't really have any views one way or the other on indifference. So let's just stick to passion.
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:17 am Yes passion can be really irritating. But isn't polemos the father of everything?
I only know about Necessity being the mother of invention, but Polemos could well have been the father.
But necessity is not the mother of invention. Something else is.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:09 am
bobmax wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:46 am

But the passion may or may not exist.

If there is, it can perhaps be managed in some way. But still there is.

If there isn't, then there is indifference.
As is so often the case, a happy medium between the two is probably best.
Finding equilibrium in and of every thing, and just staying there, I found being much better.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:09 am You seem to think it only possible to go to one extreme or the other, although it doesn't seem quite right to describe indifference as an extreme.
If, there are certainly things that we should not be indifferent about, then it could be said there are certainly circumstances of where indifference is in the extreme.
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