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Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:29 am
by Age
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:59 am
Janoah wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:36 pm
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:07 pm
Love is not particularly important at all. Conscience is a bit more noteworthy. But there’s stuff that increase mean lifetime and is succesful in decreasing poverty and stuff like that. More potent faculties in the well ordered brain.
but which in principle is more important for a person, conscience or mean lifetime?
In other words, scoring on points or scoring on Ippon? Do you collect goodies and avoid baddies to put in that saint Peter scale. I am more of a do really good stuff and dont get too mean guy. The goodies of life has been provided from brains above average focussing on the tricky things they do.
Love and consciense, their primal supporters are mummies from well-off families wanting the best for their mediocre offspring. - as their real agenda. Probably a good thing in the hunter gatherer period.
Naughtiness should be quenched by well working institutions in the well ordered state.
What are 'goodies', and 'baddies', begin JUDGED UPON, EXACTLY, if NOT on 'conscience', itself?
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 am
by Age
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:48 am
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
People are looking for what is more important, what is the cause and what is the consequence, what is the main moral rule?
You have all rights when it comes to your life but you have no right to the lives of others.
So, according to this so-called "logic" here, one can OBTAIN and USE as much of the earth's NECESSARY RESOURCES as one LIKES TO, because accordingly "they have ALL rights TO when it comes to their life". NO matter how much of the earth's OWN NECESSARY RESOURCES are NEEDED for 'its' OWN SURVIVAL, and NEEDED for 'its' current and future occupants, correct?
In other words do 'you', "bahman", REALLY BELIEVE that 'you', adult human beings, can USE UP, DESTROY, and/or POLLUTE ALL the 'air' AND 'water', which are ACTUALLY NECESSARY for sentient and non sentient life, ON EARTH, and that 'you', adults, NO 'rights' to lives of "others"? I KNOW that this is NOT what 'you' MEANT, but this is what 'you' are, literally, SAYING.
To me, 'you', adult human beings, HAVE ALL the Rights to LOVE and CARE for EARTH and for ALL of ITS inhabitants. Some might say and MORE SO for CHILDREN.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:48 am
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
The question is, is there a main principle in human life, and if so, what is it?
To seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
There is an opinion that love is primary.
It is not.
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
But what is primary, to follow love or follow conscience?
Depends on circumstances.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:22 am
by Ansiktsburk
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:29 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:59 am
Janoah wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:36 pm
but which in principle is more important for a person, conscience or mean lifetime?
In other words, scoring on points or scoring on Ippon? Do you collect goodies and avoid baddies to put in that saint Peter scale. I am more of a do really good stuff and dont get too mean guy. The goodies of life has been provided from brains above average focussing on the tricky things they do.
Love and consciense, their primal supporters are mummies from well-off families wanting the best for their mediocre offspring. - as their real agenda. Probably a good thing in the hunter gatherer period.
Naughtiness should be quenched by well working institutions in the well ordered state.
What are 'goodies', and 'baddies', begin JUDGED UPON, EXACTLY, if NOT on 'conscience', itself?
You tell me
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:25 am
by Ansiktsburk
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:19 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:07 pm
Love is not particularly important at all. Conscience is a bit more noteworthy. But there’s stuff that increase mean lifetime and is succesful in decreasing poverty and stuff like that. More potent faculties in the well ordered brain.
But 'poverty' and 'success' are usually ONLY referenced in relation to 'money' ONLY. AND, 'money' is a Truly UNNECESSARY 'thing' in Life.
Also, 'you' appear to be LOOKING FROM and SPEAKING ABOUT 'individual' persons here correct?
Skip those CAPITALS, makes what you read looking like a programming language.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:34 am
by Ansiktsburk
Janoah wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:59 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:59 am
The goodies of life has been provided from brains above average focussing on the tricky things they do.
Love and consciense, their primal supporters are mummies from well-off families
May be. But why the goodies of life, if life without conscience. After all, conscience brings really gladness, and the goodies of life bring only pleasure.
You tell that to all 18th centuty people losing half of their offspring at young age. And most people are happy to survive their 50th birthday. Love and consciene are not unimportant, but important on a much less important level.
The most important thing you have to do is to find the job where your abilities serves commumity best and do that job damn well.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:24 pm
by Janoah
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:34 am
The most important thing you have to do is to find the job where your abilities serves commumity best and do that job damn well.
interesting, but why is it necessary to serve the community?
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:52 pm
by bahman
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:48 am
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
People are looking for what is more important, what is the cause and what is the consequence, what is the main moral rule?
You have all rights when it comes to your life but you have no right to the lives of others.
So, according to this so-called "logic" here, one can OBTAIN and USE as much of the earth's NECESSARY RESOURCES as one LIKES TO, because accordingly "they have ALL rights TO when it comes to their life". NO matter how much of the earth's OWN NECESSARY RESOURCES are NEEDED for 'its' OWN SURVIVAL, and NEEDED for 'its' current and future occupants, correct?
In other words do 'you', "bahman", REALLY BELIEVE that 'you', adult human beings, can USE UP, DESTROY, and/or POLLUTE ALL the 'air' AND 'water', which are ACTUALLY NECESSARY for sentient and non sentient life, ON EARTH, and that 'you', adults, NO 'rights' to lives of "others"? I KNOW that this is NOT what 'you' MEANT, but this is what 'you' are, literally, SAYING.
To me, 'you', adult human beings, HAVE ALL the Rights to LOVE and CARE for EARTH and for ALL of ITS inhabitants. Some might say and MORE SO for CHILDREN.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:48 am
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
The question is, is there a main principle in human life, and if so, what is it?
To seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
There is an opinion that love is primary.
It is not.
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 am
But what is primary, to follow love or follow conscience?
Depends on circumstances.
What you are talking about?
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:33 am
by Age
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:22 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:29 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:59 am
In other words, scoring on points or scoring on Ippon? Do you collect goodies and avoid baddies to put in that saint Peter scale. I am more of a do really good stuff and dont get too mean guy. The goodies of life has been provided from brains above average focussing on the tricky things they do.
Love and consciense, their primal supporters are mummies from well-off families wanting the best for their mediocre offspring. - as their real agenda. Probably a good thing in the hunter gatherer period.
Naughtiness should be quenched by well working institutions in the well ordered state.
What are 'goodies', and 'baddies', begin JUDGED UPON, EXACTLY, if NOT on 'conscience', itself?
You tell me
Does this mean that you do NOT know?
If no, then WHY did you just NOT answer that CLARIFYING QUESTION?
And, if you had just ASKED me to CLARIFY what those things are being JUDGED UPON to me, then I would have just informed you that it was, and is, your OWN past experiences.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:37 am
by Age
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:25 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:19 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:07 pm
Love is not particularly important at all. Conscience is a bit more noteworthy. But there’s stuff that increase mean lifetime and is succesful in decreasing poverty and stuff like that. More potent faculties in the well ordered brain.
But 'poverty' and 'success' are usually ONLY referenced in relation to 'money' ONLY. AND, 'money' is a Truly UNNECESSARY 'thing' in Life.
Also, 'you' appear to be LOOKING FROM and SPEAKING ABOUT 'individual' persons here correct?
Skip those CAPITALS, makes what you read looking like a programming language.
Do NOT tell me what to do. UNDERSTOOD?
AND, CONTRARY to what 'you' SAID here, doing 'that' does NOT make what I read look like ANY such 'thing'.
So, I suggest 'you' choose your WORDS far more carefully, from now on.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:40 am
by Age
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:52 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:48 am
You have all rights when it comes to your life but you have no right to the lives of others.
So, according to this so-called "logic" here, one can OBTAIN and USE as much of the earth's NECESSARY RESOURCES as one LIKES TO, because accordingly "they have ALL rights TO when it comes to their life". NO matter how much of the earth's OWN NECESSARY RESOURCES are NEEDED for 'its' OWN SURVIVAL, and NEEDED for 'its' current and future occupants, correct?
In other words do 'you', "bahman", REALLY BELIEVE that 'you', adult human beings, can USE UP, DESTROY, and/or POLLUTE ALL the 'air' AND 'water', which are ACTUALLY NECESSARY for sentient and non sentient life, ON EARTH, and that 'you', adults, NO 'rights' to lives of "others"? I KNOW that this is NOT what 'you' MEANT, but this is what 'you' are, literally, SAYING.
To me, 'you', adult human beings, HAVE ALL the Rights to LOVE and CARE for EARTH and for ALL of ITS inhabitants. Some might say and MORE SO for CHILDREN.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:48 am
To seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
It is not.
Depends on circumstances.
What you are talking about?
What you SAID and WROTE here.
ANY one can CLEARLY SEE 'this'.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
by bahman
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:40 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:52 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 am
So, according to this so-called "logic" here, one can OBTAIN and USE as much of the earth's NECESSARY RESOURCES as one LIKES TO, because accordingly "they have ALL rights TO when it comes to their life". NO matter how much of the earth's OWN NECESSARY RESOURCES are NEEDED for 'its' OWN SURVIVAL, and NEEDED for 'its' current and future occupants, correct?
In other words do 'you', "bahman", REALLY BELIEVE that 'you', adult human beings, can USE UP, DESTROY, and/or POLLUTE ALL the 'air' AND 'water', which are ACTUALLY NECESSARY for sentient and non sentient life, ON EARTH, and that 'you', adults, NO 'rights' to lives of "others"? I KNOW that this is NOT what 'you' MEANT, but this is what 'you' are, literally, SAYING.
To me, 'you', adult human beings, HAVE ALL the Rights to LOVE and CARE for EARTH and for ALL of ITS inhabitants. Some might say and MORE SO for CHILDREN.
What you are talking about?
What you SAID and WROTE here.
ANY one can CLEARLY SEE 'this'.
Everybody has a right, such as minimum education, food to eat, a place to live, etc. The idea is to maximize the right of each person respecting rights of others.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:04 pm
by Age
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:40 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:52 pm
What you are talking about?
What you SAID and WROTE here.
ANY one can CLEARLY SEE 'this'.
Everybody has a right, such as minimum education, food to eat, a place to live, etc.
EVERY one GETS so-called 'minimum education' naturally anyway.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS a place to live anyway, well that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT destroy it first.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS food to eat, again that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT first pollute too much.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
The idea is to maximize the right of each person respecting rights of others.
Who's idea is this, EXACTLY?
EVERY one is born with an EQUAL AMOUNT OF, or with the EXACT SAME, so-called 'right/s'.
SAYING, " maximizing the right of 'one' while respecting the rights of "other" ", is just making COMPLEX 'that' what IS Truly SIMPLE.
That is; EVERY one has the EXACT SAME so-called 'rights'. Which one of them is that 'you', adult human beings, do NOT ABUSE absolutely ANY 'thing', which would OBVIOUSLY destroy what is NEEDED by, and thus a 'right' to, NEW BORN CHILDREN.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:27 pm
by bahman
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:04 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:40 am
What you SAID and WROTE here.
ANY one can CLEARLY SEE 'this'.
Everybody has a right, such as minimum education, food to eat, a place to live, etc.
EVERY one GETS so-called 'minimum education' naturally anyway.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS a place to live anyway, well that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT destroy it first.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS food to eat, again that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT first pollute too much.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
The idea is to maximize the right of each person respecting rights of others.
Who's idea is this, EXACTLY?
EVERY one is born with an EQUAL AMOUNT OF, or with the EXACT SAME, so-called 'right/s'.
SAYING, " maximizing the right of 'one' while respecting the rights of "other" ", is just making COMPLEX 'that' what IS Truly SIMPLE.
That is; EVERY one has the EXACT SAME so-called 'rights'. Which one of them is that 'you', adult human beings, do NOT ABUSE absolutely ANY 'thing', which would OBVIOUSLY destroy what is NEEDED by, and thus a 'right' to, NEW BORN CHILDREN.
That is my idea.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:38 pm
by Age
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:27 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:04 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
Everybody has a right, such as minimum education, food to eat, a place to live, etc.
EVERY one GETS so-called 'minimum education' naturally anyway.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS a place to live anyway, well that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT destroy it first.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS food to eat, again that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT first pollute too much.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm
The idea is to maximize the right of each person respecting rights of others.
Who's idea is this, EXACTLY?
EVERY one is born with an EQUAL AMOUNT OF, or with the EXACT SAME, so-called 'right/s'.
SAYING, " maximizing the right of 'one' while respecting the rights of "other" ", is just making COMPLEX 'that' what IS Truly SIMPLE.
That is; EVERY one has the EXACT SAME so-called 'rights'. Which one of them is that 'you', adult human beings, do NOT ABUSE absolutely ANY 'thing', which would OBVIOUSLY destroy what is NEEDED by, and thus a 'right' to, NEW BORN CHILDREN.
That is my idea.
ANY 'idea' about HOW to 'TRY TO' "improve", or change, what is just PURELY SIMPLE, and NATURALLY PERFECT anyway, is OBVIOUSLY NEVER going to WORK.
Re: What is primary, conscience or love?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:58 pm
by bahman
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:38 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:27 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:04 pm
EVERY one GETS so-called 'minimum education' naturally anyway.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS a place to live anyway, well that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT destroy it first.
EVERY new born, naturally, HAS food to eat, again that is if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT first pollute too much.
Who's idea is this, EXACTLY?
EVERY one is born with an EQUAL AMOUNT OF, or with the EXACT SAME, so-called 'right/s'.
SAYING, " maximizing the right of 'one' while respecting the rights of "other" ", is just making COMPLEX 'that' what IS Truly SIMPLE.
That is; EVERY one has the EXACT SAME so-called 'rights'. Which one of them is that 'you', adult human beings, do NOT ABUSE absolutely ANY 'thing', which would OBVIOUSLY destroy what is NEEDED by, and thus a 'right' to, NEW BORN CHILDREN.
That is my idea.
ANY 'idea' about HOW to 'TRY TO' "improve", or change, what is just PURELY SIMPLE, and NATURALLY PERFECT anyway, is OBVIOUSLY NEVER going to WORK.
Education.