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I was making an analogysimplicity wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:58 pmI've known my fair share of cops and most seem pretty much like everybody else.
... And there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that contact with a diverse biome of dirt in early life builds a lifetime's protection by training the immune system for decline in vigour that age brings.
There are many levels of socialization, even the immediate family is one, and no one goes through the exact conditions and contingencies of everyday life. A first-born goes through very different experiences than younger siblings, and that can make all the difference even in a relatively homogenous society.simplicity wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:52 pmI don't think so. If you take a large group of people who have similar socialization, you will find a large disparity in cleaning habits. Some people are into it, some people are not [for all kinds of reasons].Conde Lucanor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:05 amI don't see how is this related to "human nature". Cleaning is a learned human behavior and the standards of cleanliness vary in time, location and different strata of socialization or individual action. That's all that is needed to understand why some people think of cleanliness differently.
Why think that just asking a clarifying question would be considered as "visiting the dark side"?simplicity wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:47 pmIf one wishes to communicate on a forum such as this, then one must visit the dark side. What is your definition of "letting go?"Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:44 am Here is another example of just how believing things are true is the very reason why some people can not let go and find letting go difficult.
It is the very act of believing, which is what is preventing and stopping you from letting go.
Letting go, for me anyway, is NOT difficult at all.
The 'you' can not stop thought/thinking as thought/thinking is the 'you', 'person', or 'self', itself.simplicity wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:47 pmIf you can stop conceptual thought, you have gone as far as you can go.
When you return to The One, ...
The "dark-side" here meaning...The Intellectual.
One of the myriad of difficulties people have in communicating is that their point of departure is often quite different. When I use the phrase, "letting go," it refers to intellectually let go, i.e., allowing all the arises [in the mind] to appear, exist, and depart [without attachment]. All things are this way. It is when people attach that difficulties arise [suffering caused by their eventual departure].Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:31 am"Letting go", to me, just means it refers to not living in the thoughts, which come and go with the human body. Questioning and challenging the thoughts, which arise within, means one is not being 'that thought' but instead is, literally, 'letting go of oneself'and observing from an "outside" or "another" perspective.
That's an interesting take on things. How did you come up with this perspective?Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:31 amThe 'you' can not stop thought/thinking as thought/thinking is the 'you', 'person', or 'self', itself.
The way the human body is made and has evolved, it will always produce thoughts. These thoughts are the person, them self, and 'letting go' refers to that self, and letting it go and observing from the universal perspective instead.
I realize that. My point was that generalizing about an entire group of people is unfair and [secondly] most people [no matter what they are on the outside] are pretty much the same on the inside [except the extremists (but most of these folks are just having a temporary out-of-mind experience and will eventually migrate closer to center with time)].Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:30 pmI was making an analogysimplicity wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:58 pmI've known my fair share of cops and most seem pretty much like everybody else.
Well, you are certainly on the right planet.
I agree as I was a child of the 50's/60's and lived outside in the dirt. But being outside and getting dirty as a kid [very healthy activity, as you note] is quite different that not cleaning your habitat.
WHich is what you do exactly immediatesly after criticisng me for doing so.simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:24 pm My point was that generalizing about an entire group of people is unfair and [secondly] most people [no matter what they are on the outside] are pretty much the same on the
So you call yourself a "physician"? What exactly do you do?
. Again, my experience knowing tens of thousands of patients is that people are pretty much the same
Besides a couple of very minor differences, we are in agreement as this is exactly what I was saying also.simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:58 pmThe "dark-side" here meaning...The Intellectual.
One of the myriad of difficulties people have in communicating is that their point of departure is often quite different. When I use the phrase, "letting go," it refers to intellectually let go, i.e., allowing all the arises [in the mind] to appear, exist, and depart [without attachment]. All things are this way. It is when people attach that difficulties arise [suffering caused by their eventual departure].Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:31 am"Letting go", to me, just means it refers to not living in the thoughts, which come and go with the human body. Questioning and challenging the thoughts, which arise within, means one is not being 'that thought' but instead is, literally, 'letting go of oneself'and observing from an "outside" or "another" perspective.
When questioning what the word 'person' is actually meaning and referring to, questioning what the Mind actually is/does, and questioning and challenging quite a few many other things as well.simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:58 pmThat's an interesting take on things. How did you come up with this perspective?Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:31 amThe 'you' can not stop thought/thinking as thought/thinking is the 'you', 'person', or 'self', itself.
The way the human body is made and has evolved, it will always produce thoughts. These thoughts are the person, them self, and 'letting go' refers to that self, and letting it go and observing from the universal perspective instead.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:59 pmsimplicity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:24 pm My point was that generalizing about an entire group of people is unfair and [secondly] most people [no matter what they are on the outside] are pretty much the same on theYou were speaking of cops and physicians of which you have probably only known a handful. I was referring to tens of thousands of patients. I don't really see the connection. If you've worked with a great deal of people and had somewhat intimate conversations with them, I believe most would agree with my assessment.
I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.
Your appreciation of anything is based upon your entire experience, so nobody can really understand you.
I prefer to remain in the non-intellectual much of the time and therefore need not be concerned with the above.
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:41 pm I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.
Care for the well-being of other people is of course important socially, however, when it concerns personal preferences (e.g. peoples homes and vehicles), it is well-known of for example professors that they are often 'absent-minded' (there is even a wikipedia article about it) and similarly creative people such as artists may prefer to spend their mind's time on other things than 'cleaning related responsibilities'.simplicity wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:38 pmIf people do understand how this practice has greatly improved the quality of human life over the past couple of centuries, why do the vast majority of people hate to clean? Have you seen most people's homes/vehicles? Would it not make sense that performing such simple tasks that lead to so many benefits should be embraced? Are people that f****** lazy?
If they are not motivated enough to put forth the effort to be clean, what can one expect from the society full of these folks?
You seemed to be one of the more mature people here but ...Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:03 pmsimplicity wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:41 pm I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.
That's a good idea. Next time I'm talking about Cosmology I think I'll call myself an Astro-Physicist!
But.... you are no physiciansimplicity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:56 amYou seemed to be one of the more mature people here but ...Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:03 pmsimplicity wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:41 pm I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.
That's a good idea. Next time I'm talking about Cosmology I think I'll call myself an Astro-Physicist!
Yes but he thought twice about it. And let's face it you are a damn fake.