Human Nature

[Sculptor]

Most cops think everyone is a crook, because they only ever see perps.

I've known my fair share of cops and most seem pretty much like everybody else.

I was making an analogy

It's only important [cleanliness] for places that sell food and drinks; Pharmacists too, otherwise meh

Well, you are certainly on the right planet.

... And there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that contact with a diverse biome of dirt in early life builds a lifetime's protection by training the immune system for decline in vigour that age brings.

[Conde Lucanor]

I don't see how is this related to "human nature". Cleaning is a learned human behavior and the standards of cleanliness vary in time, location and different strata of socialization or individual action. That's all that is needed to understand why some people think of cleanliness differently.

I don't think so. If you take a large group of people who have similar socialization, you will find a large disparity in cleaning habits. Some people are into it, some people are not [for all kinds of reasons].

There are many levels of socialization, even the immediate family is one, and no one goes through the exact conditions and contingencies of everyday life. A first-born goes through very different experiences than younger siblings, and that can make all the difference even in a relatively homogenous society.

[Age]

Here is another example of just how believing things are true is the very reason why some people can not let go and find letting go difficult.

It is the very act of believing, which is what is preventing and stopping you from letting go.

Letting go, for me anyway, is NOT difficult at all.

If one wishes to communicate on a forum such as this, then one must visit the dark side. What is your definition of "letting go?"

Why think that just asking a clarifying question would be considered as "visiting the dark side"?

"Letting go", to me, just means it refers to not living in the thoughts, which come and go with the human body. Questioning and challenging the thoughts, which arise within, means one is not being 'that thought' but instead is, literally, 'letting go of oneself'and observing from an "outside" or "another" perspective.

Why get rid of the "almost"?

Every thing observed is not seen instantly, this is because every thing seen is a distance away from thee seeing.

If you can stop conceptual thought, you have gone as far as you can go.

When you return to The One, ...

The 'you' can not stop thought/thinking as thought/thinking is the 'you', 'person', or 'self', itself.

The way the human body is made and has evolved, it will always produce thoughts. These thoughts are the person, them self, and 'letting go' refers to that self, and letting it go and observing from the universal perspective instead.

[simplicity]

Why think that just asking a clarifying question would be considered as "visiting the dark side"?

The "dark-side" here meaning...The Intellectual.

"Letting go", to me, just means it refers to not living in the thoughts, which come and go with the human body. Questioning and challenging the thoughts, which arise within, means one is not being 'that thought' but instead is, literally, 'letting go of oneself'and observing from an "outside" or "another" perspective.

One of the myriad of difficulties people have in communicating is that their point of departure is often quite different. When I use the phrase, "letting go," it refers to intellectually let go, i.e., allowing all the arises [in the mind] to appear, exist, and depart [without attachment]. All things are this way. It is when people attach that difficulties arise [suffering caused by their eventual departure].

The 'you' can not stop thought/thinking as thought/thinking is the 'you', 'person', or 'self', itself.

The way the human body is made and has evolved, it will always produce thoughts. These thoughts are the person, them self, and 'letting go' refers to that self, and letting it go and observing from the universal perspective instead.

That's an interesting take on things. How did you come up with this perspective?

[simplicity]

Most cops think everyone is a crook, because they only ever see perps.

I've known my fair share of cops and most seem pretty much like everybody else.

I was making an analogy

I realize that. My point was that generalizing about an entire group of people is unfair and [secondly] most people [no matter what they are on the outside] are pretty much the same on the inside [except the extremists (but most of these folks are just having a temporary out-of-mind experience and will eventually migrate closer to center with time)].

For example, one might believe that all physicians are squeaky clean. This is anything but the truth. Again, my experience knowing tens of thousands of patients is that people are pretty much the same [given a reasonable variation].

It's only important [cleanliness] for places that sell food and drinks; Pharmacists too, otherwise meh

Well, you are certainly on the right planet.
[/quote]

... And there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that contact with a diverse biome of dirt in early life builds a lifetime's protection by training the immune system for decline in vigour that age brings.

I agree as I was a child of the 50's/60's and lived outside in the dirt. But being outside and getting dirty as a kid [very healthy activity, as you note] is quite different that not cleaning your habitat.

If for no other reason, erring on the side of cleanliness [again, not the compulsive variety] induces all kinds of benefits to the individual.

[Sculptor]

My point was that generalizing about an entire group of people is unfair and [secondly] most people [no matter what they are on the outside] are pretty much the same on the

WHich is what you do exactly immediatesly after criticisng me for doing so.

. Again, my experience knowing tens of thousands of patients is that people are pretty much the same

So you call yourself a "physician"? What exactly do you do?

[Age]

Why think that just asking a clarifying question would be considered as "visiting the dark side"?

The "dark-side" here meaning...The Intellectual.

"Letting go", to me, just means it refers to not living in the thoughts, which come and go with the human body. Questioning and challenging the thoughts, which arise within, means one is not being 'that thought' but instead is, literally, 'letting go of oneself'and observing from an "outside" or "another" perspective.

One of the myriad of difficulties people have in communicating is that their point of departure is often quite different. When I use the phrase, "letting go," it refers to intellectually let go, i.e., allowing all the arises [in the mind] to appear, exist, and depart [without attachment]. All things are this way. It is when people attach that difficulties arise [suffering caused by their eventual departure].

Besides a couple of very minor differences, we are in agreement as this is exactly what I was saying also.

What was found when 'letting go', to me, is that the main reason there is any disputes, arguments, disagreements, et cetera is only because people do not just come to gaining clarification first.

The 'you' can not stop thought/thinking as thought/thinking is the 'you', 'person', or 'self', itself.

The way the human body is made and has evolved, it will always produce thoughts. These thoughts are the person, them self, and 'letting go' refers to that self, and letting it go and observing from the universal perspective instead.

That's an interesting take on things. How did you come up with this perspective?

When questioning what the word 'person' is actually meaning and referring to, questioning what the Mind actually is/does, and questioning and challenging quite a few many other things as well.

[simplicity]

My point was that generalizing about an entire group of people is unfair and [secondly] most people [no matter what they are on the outside] are pretty much the same on the

Which is what you do exactly immediately after criticizing me for doing so.

You were speaking of cops and physicians of which you have probably only known a handful. I was referring to tens of thousands of patients. I don't really see the connection. If you've worked with a great deal of people and had somewhat intimate conversations with them, I believe most would agree with my assessment.

So you call yourself a "physician"? What exactly do you do?

I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.

[simplicity]

What was found when 'letting go', to me, is that the main reason there is any disputes, arguments, disagreements, et cetera is only because people do not just come to gaining clarification first.

Your appreciation of anything is based upon your entire experience, so nobody can really understand you.

When questioning what the word 'person' is actually meaning and referring to, questioning what the Mind actually is/does, and questioning and challenging quite a few many other things as well.

I prefer to remain in the non-intellectual much of the time and therefore need not be concerned with the above.

[Sculptor]

I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.

That's a good idea. Next time I'm talking about Cosmology I think I'll call myself an Astro-Physicist!

[theory]

If people do understand how this practice has greatly improved the quality of human life over the past couple of centuries, why do the vast majority of people hate to clean? Have you seen most people's homes/vehicles? Would it not make sense that performing such simple tasks that lead to so many benefits should be embraced? Are people that f****** lazy?

If they are not motivated enough to put forth the effort to be clean, what can one expect from the society full of these folks?

Care for the well-being of other people is of course important socially, however, when it concerns personal preferences (e.g. peoples homes and vehicles), it is well-known of for example professors that they are often 'absent-minded' (there is even a wikipedia article about it) and similarly creative people such as artists may prefer to spend their mind's time on other things than 'cleaning related responsibilities'.

Some people are more dreaming and inwardly focused of nature while others are more outwardly focused and thrive in a clean and socially responsible environment. "letting be" is an important aspect that enables the more dreaming and creative minded people to perform, naturally resulting in behaviors that could potentially be perceived as careless or irresponsible socially by others.

Dreaming and creative people are sometimes the victim socially when both personality types clash because they would prefer to leave others be while the outwardly responsible types of people would prefer to remind other people of their responsibility, i.e. how they should live.

When it concerns 'Human Nature', diversity on a very broad scale may be a factor to consider before making a decision about what is to be considered deemed socially responsible behavior.

What is 'quality of life' when it concerns an absent minded professor? He/she likely intends to excel in his/her study and cares less about his/her environment and perhaps some other aspects that may be relevant socially. Should the professor be demanded to change his/her ways?

It is good to intend to improve the world from an environment perspective but perhaps it is also important to think twice before judging others.

[simplicity]

I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.

That's a good idea. Next time I'm talking about Cosmology I think I'll call myself an Astro-Physicist!

You seemed to be one of the more mature people here but ...

[simplicity]

It is good to intend to improve the world from an environment perspective but perhaps it is also important to think twice before judging others.

Aren't you judging me?

[Sculptor]

I am not really into identifying myself [as most people are not], but sometimes I will identify as a physician to give my argument a bit more credence.

That's a good idea. Next time I'm talking about Cosmology I think I'll call myself an Astro-Physicist!

You seemed to be one of the more mature people here but ...

But.... you are no physician

[Sculptor]

It is good to intend to improve the world from an environment perspective but perhaps it is also important to think twice before judging others.

Aren't you judging me?

Yes but he thought twice about it. And let's face it you are a damn fake.