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Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:46 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:00 pm

MORON

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:50 pm Trump is as guilty as hell.

What happened with his acquittal demonstrates the failure of US democracy.
When a matter of law is mediated by a political vote this abuses the most fundamental principle of modern democratic governance.
The president is now above the law. This is exactly the characteristic failure of governance that the US revolution was designed to avoid. When the King can act regardless of law, then we have a problem.

As bad as it is the UK last year demonstrated how things should be done. When BOJO prorogued parliament, his government had to face a legal process that found the government in breach of the law; Parliament was re-instated.
Trump's crime is on a massively greater scale. Not only was his actions in the Ukraine specifically designed to subvert free and fair elections, but he also failed to co-operate with the legal process by failing to provide information.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:41 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:32 am Doesn't matter. You're an upstanding moralist (not a good thing in Flash's book, synonymous with crapsack).

Hey, at least I'm a happy crapsack.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:00 pm

henry quirk wrote:No, you gave a whole buncha out of context quotes.

I know for a fact most or all are out of context cuz I heard Trump makin' some of those comments on *C-SPAN, and -- in context -- none of them are lies. Politifact dis-embeds quotes, deprives them of proper context, solely to discredit, and therefore has no credibility. ...

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:03 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:27 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:58 pm

Why would I do that?

Because he's a decent person, intelligent, and he doesn't talk as if he's just had a massive stroke.

He's a commie even the Dems in power don't want.

I'll pass.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:51 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:27 am And then there's the question of whether you upstanding moralists would finally turn on him if he tried to use executive privilige to shield his children from prosecution in such a case.

You forget; I'm not a Trumpian. I'm just an amused bystander. And from an impartial perspective, the convulsions of the Democrats are just amazing theatre. It's like watching a car accident in slow motion.

Lacewing wrote:Yippee!! Dishonesty, corruption, and stupidity continue to reign supreme and unchecked!! And we can mindlessly pretend that a big fucking game in Washington delivers the truth for us all!

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:45 pm Do you consider yourself impartial?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:13 pm "yanks don't even know what a communist is."

Oh, I know the spiel: Bernie is Democratic Socialist, and, socialism and communism aren't the same.

Yeah, sure, okay, fine...

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:28 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:13 pm "yanks don't even know what a communist is."

Oh, I know the spiel: Bernie is Democratic Socialist, and, socialism and communism aren't the same.

Yeah, sure, okay, fine...

All Western democracies are 'communist' by your reckoning. Any country that has good universal healthcare and education is 'communist' in your book. You clearly have a very high opinion of 'communism'.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:03 pm

Lacewing wrote:Yippee!! Dishonesty, corruption, and stupidity continue to reign supreme and unchecked!! And we can mindlessly pretend that a big fucking game in Washington delivers the truth for us all!

Yeah, cuz unfortunately, the democrats ain't goin' nowhere.