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Harbal wrote:

Interjectivist wrote:
Somehow I feel more at home having been thrown under the bus like this.

Well, as it happens, seeing as my feelings for Lacewing don't seem to be reciprocated, I was just about to turn my attention towards you.

Any port in a storm?

Lacewing wrote:

Harbal wrote:Lacewing and I aren't really getting married, I was only joking. Pity, really, as by all accounts she's pretty hot between the sheets. Ah well, they say you don't miss what you've never had.

Harbal!! You're going to MISS another tooth in that avatar of yours if I get within striking distance of you!

Is that before or after the encounter between the sheets?

thedoc wrote: Is that before or after the encounter between the sheets?

Alas, I think it's instead of.

Harbal wrote:

Interjectivist wrote:
Somehow I feel more at home having been thrown under the bus like this.

Well, as it happens, seeing as my feelings for Lacewing don't seem to be reciprocated, I was just about to turn my attention towards you.

Sorry but I'm just one more boringly loyal atheist spouse. My wife of 33 years and I are pretty tight. So, no port here for you either, sailor. Better luck in the next port.

thedoc wrote:... take them along to church every Sunday, yet we only occasionally drop hints to the daughter about going to church. A few years ago she admitted that she still believed in God, but couldn't take the pastor at the time.

Funny how we try to get others to go with our beliefs. I am bemused by the push to get the kids to follow a religious creed and also to strategically take a "softly softly" approach to bringing your daughter back to it. Yet, no doubt many atheist parents would similarly try to push their kids towards logic and rationality if their child tended towards mythologies.

Any parent who rejects their child for either of the above cases, or for being gay, trans, bi, mentally ill or whatever, is abrogating their parental responsibilities.

Not sure why, but the OP reminds me of a scene from Harry Potter after he is killed by Voldemort and finds himself in an ethereal version of Kings Cross station with his old, dead headmaster. He asks, "Professor, is this all real or is it in my head?" and Dumbledore replied, "Of course it's in your head! But what makes you think that it's not real?".

Who knows? Not me.

Harbal wrote:

HexHammer wrote:Aaaaah!!! ..that's why you have been so busy attacking me for no obvious reason ..the same with her, well if she stops I stop.

Lacewing and I aren't really getting married, I was only joking. Pity, really, as by all accounts she's pretty hot between the sheets. Ah well, they say you don't miss what you've never had.

Harbal I am not sure how well you know lacewing but on any level do you really think what is underlined is in any way appropriate here?

thedoc wrote:

Lacewing wrote:

Harbal wrote:Lacewing and I aren't really getting married, I was only joking. Pity, really, as by all accounts she's pretty hot between the sheets. Ah well, they say you don't miss what you've never had.

Harbal!! You're going to MISS another tooth in that avatar of yours if I get within striking distance of you!

Is that before or after the encounter between the sheets?

Do people really wonder why there is so much separation between women and men, when remarks like this are still being made. No wonder there was such a division between having, and for, a male or female president in the us election. I always previously wondered why it would matter, but with some of the remarks in this thread I can now see why some people have the views they do of the opposite sex.

What has going to bed with someone, and how they behave there, got to do with anything here in this forum, let alone this topic? We all fantasize, and i for one probably do it more than everyone else here put together, but surely a philosophy forum is not the place to express our desires and wishes, unless of course it relates directly to the topic of conversation.

ken wrote: Harbal I am not sure how well you know lacewing but on any level do you really think what is underlined is in any way appropriate here?

Well, ken, it was a comment that could well cause Lacewing a great deal of embarrassment and I thing it's rather thoughtless of you to draw attention to it.

. We all fantasize, and i for one probably do it more than everyone else here put together

Then maybe you should look for a different kind of forum, ken. This ones about philosophy.

Harbal wrote:

ken wrote: Harbal I am not sure how well you know lacewing but on any level do you really think what is underlined is in any way appropriate here?

Well, ken, it was a comment that could well cause Lacewing a great deal of embarrassment and I thing it's rather thoughtless of you to draw attention to it.

If you knew your comment could well cause a great deal of embarrassment, then why write it?

If I brought a great deal of embarrassment to any person by drawing attention to what you, yourself, said, then I profusely apologize for that. But let us not forget you are the one who made the comment. I just asked you if you thought it was appropriate or not. Also I noticed you could not or would not answer that very simple, straightforward, easy question that I asked you. A simple yes or no would have sufficed. And, also drawn less attention to your comment.

Harbal wrote:

. We all fantasize, and i for one probably do it more than everyone else here put together

Then maybe you should look for a different kind of forum, ken. This ones about philosophy.

I notice you purposely forgot to add in the rest of my very open and honest sentence. I explicitly acknowledged that a philosophy forum is not the place to express our desires and wishes, which is exactly what you have done here with your comment. Unless you were privy to some knowledge your comment was just your fantasy.

ken wrote:

Harbal wrote: Lacewing and I aren't really getting married, I was only joking. Pity, really, as by all accounts she's pretty hot between the sheets. Ah well, they say you don't miss what you've never had.

Harbal I am not sure how well you know lacewing but on any level do you really think what is underlined is in any way appropriate here?

Oh my goodness, no-one is allowed to have any fun, we're all supposed to be oh so serious "stick in the mud".

As Harbal said, it's time for you to find another forum.

ken wrote: If you knew your comment could well cause a great deal of embarrassment, then why write it?

If Lacewing asks me that question then, of course, I will try to give her an explanation but I don't feel that I owe you one.

If I brought a great deal of embarrassment to any person by drawing attention to what you, yourself, said, then I profusely apologize

I think it's a bit late for apologies, ken, the damage is done. Perhaps, next time, you'll think before you go round highlighting embarrassing comments.

I explicitly acknowledged that a philosophy forum is not the place to express our desires and wishes,

So why did you think it was okay to bring up your fantasies then? It seems like you want to lay down rules for everyone but exempt yourself from them.

I'm sorry, ken, but I have to say that your conduct throughout this whole incident has been very shabby, I would have expected better of you.

ken wrote:If I brought a great deal of embarrassment to any person by drawing attention to what you, yourself, said, then I profusely apologize for that.

Any profuse apologies made on philosophy forums causes one to profusely regret having made any such apologies.

Harbal wrote:

ken wrote: If you knew your comment could well cause a great deal of embarrassment, then why write it?

If Lacewing asks me that question then, of course, I will try to give her an explanation but I don't feel that I owe you one.

Of course you do not owe me an explanation. NO person owes Me anything. I just asked out of inquisitiveness.

Harbal wrote:

If I brought a great deal of embarrassment to any person by drawing attention to what you, yourself, said, then I profusely apologize

I think it's a bit late for apologies, ken, the damage is done. Perhaps, next time, you'll think before you go round highlighting embarrassing comments.

I did not know it was embarrassing for you. I just asked if you now thought it was inappropriate? I only found out it was embarrassing for you after you explained that to us.

Great to see you taking so much responsibility, not, for what you, yourself, wrote, and not shifting the blame onto others. I could write, "By all accounts you are pretty hot in this regard", but I will not.

No matter what I write I want it to be highlighted, especially when another thinks it should be highlighted.

Do you really believe that if you write an inappropriate or embarrassing comment, then no person should highlight it and/or make a comment on it?

What is inappropriate and embarrassing to one person may not be to another. I was only trying to grasp a sense of you and what you thought about the comment. I sure I could write many upon many comments that I might find appropriate but another person does not, and not until my comment is highlighted and pointed out to me that it appeared inappropriate to another, then I would never know otherwise. Thus the reason I would like ALL my comments highlighted and queried about so that I can get a sense of how they appear to others.

Harbal wrote:

I explicitly acknowledged that a philosophy forum is not the place to express our desires and wishes,

So why did you think it was okay to bring up your fantasies then?

Bring up what fantasy?

Can you explain what you are talking about here?

Are you able to explicitly show the fantasy that you suggest that I have brought up here? If so, what is exactly?

Harbal wrote: It seems like you want to lay down rules for everyone but exempt yourself from them.

I never laid down one rule at all. Again, I just asked you if you now think what you previously wrote was appropriate or not. You have already explained that it was an embarrassing comment you wrote. If you thought it was appropriate or inappropriate so be it. If it was embarrassing or not so be it. I do not judge in anyway. I was just being inquisitive, to highlight how sexist remarks can cause a division within society between men and women.

If philosophy is a love of becoming wiser, then I do not see a philosophy forum as a place to express ones desires and wishes, especially sexual ones, unless of course it is in direct relation to a discussion of how to become wiser from that knowledge. All I have done is highlight the fantasy that you divulged here, and asked you a clarifying question about it, I also apologized if I caused any embarrassment by doing that. If I have caused anything to any person that your comment was directed to, then I will openly and honestly admit that, and will apologize for that. But if you expect Me to apologize to you for the embarrassment you are now feeling, because of the comment you made, then I do not think that is going to happen. In a way I am glad I caused an emotive feeling that may cause you to think about what you say in the future.

Harbal wrote:I'm sorry, ken, but I have to say that your conduct throughout this whole incident has been very shabby, I would have expected better of you.

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You could expect that, but who are you to expect of others? I do not expect anything, of anyone. By the way it was a reasonable attempt of you to try to shift the focus of attention from you onto someone else, but it is not working on Me. This whole incident was caused by what you, yourself, initially wrote. That is why I asked do some people still wonder why there is still a division between males and females in society when comments like yours are still being made in this day and age, especially in a philosophy forum and on topics that have nothing at all to do with what you were referring to?

thedoc wrote:

ken wrote:

Harbal wrote: Lacewing and I aren't really getting married, I was only joking. Pity, really, as by all accounts she's pretty hot between the sheets. Ah well, they say you don't miss what you've never had.

Harbal I am not sure how well you know lacewing but on any level do you really think what is underlined is in any way appropriate here?

Oh my goodness, no-one is allowed to have any fun, we're all supposed to be oh so serious "stick in the mud".

I never said anything about not having fun.

I just asked harbal if it was appropriate, and just suggested that is it any wonder there is still a sexist division between men and women in society.

Would you still find it fun if harbal said, Pity, really, as by all accounts thedoc's pretty hot between the sheets. Implying that you are pretty hot with the guys in bed? If you find that perfectly okay and fun, then that is fine. But just because you might find it fun does not mean another person does. As I have already suggested, I do not know how well harbal knows the other person. It may well have been perfectly acceptable and appropriate to both people, and if it iss, then that is all that needed to be said. But by all the minimizing, shifting blame, not taking responsibility for one's own actions, and the embarrassment that this is causing harbal so far, then I would suggest that harbal's comment was not fine and fun for either person. But i might be completely wrong.

thedoc wrote:As Harbal said, it's time for you to find another forum.

Why?

Just because I highlighted something that you and harbal appear to not like. Or is there another reason why I should leave this one?

You can say and do whatever you like to whoever you like. I will certainly never tell you what you can and can not do. But just remember what is fun and acceptable to you is not always fun and acceptable to other people. Empathy for ALL others actually goes a long way to making a truly fun and better world for everyone, and not just some.

Dubious wrote:

ken wrote:If I brought a great deal of embarrassment to any person by drawing attention to what you, yourself, said, then I profusely apologize for that.

Any profuse apologies made on philosophy forums causes one to profusely regret having made any such apologies.

I am not sure what this means. Care to explain in another way?