Question: Is automatic writing a hallucination?

[Arising_uk]

The body in the mirror is the known. The known body cannot see the knower. ...

You said there is no knower?

Still, I agree, the known body is the knower.

The body is known but never seen. ...

Try looking down.

Can the knower/ seer of the body been seen by the body?

No as there is no such thing, just a knowing body which varies in its knowingness according to the wetware it has.

[Harbal]

In my case, it was profound nonsense and had never entered my conscious mind earlier in any way, shape or form.

It's not what enters your conscious mind that's the problem, it's what manages to escape from it that causes the trouble.

[bobevenson]

In my case, it was profound, and had never entered my conscious mind earlier in any way, shape or form.

So why did you decide to practice automatic writing then? As I find it very hard to believe that someone interested in Gematria would not also follow other 'mystical' practices.

No, the automatic writing came in the earliest stages of "The Ouzo Prophecy," long before gematria or any spiritual significance, when the paper was merely a promotional idea to promote the game as having been predicted in Revelation 13:18. After mentioning three basic interpretations of the verse, I was ready to write the paragraph about Ouzo, which I had expected to be the easiest and most enjoyable part of the paper. However, I sat there for fifteen to twenty minutes without being able to write a single word, not even make a false start. And I slowly began to realize I had absolutely nothing to say. I couldn't just say, here's another interpretation, there had to be some kind of bridge. I felt totally humiliated. Why had I gone to all of this trouble and done all of this so-called research only to discover I had nothing to say. I couldn't believe it. Finally, in total exasperation, I implored myself to write SOMETHING! And I immediately started to write automatically without a single word going through my conscious mind, and critiquing what I wrote as though it were being written by someone else. I finished the paragraph immediately compared to the three or four hours it took to write each of the earlier ones.

[Arising_uk]

No, the automatic writing came in the earliest stages of "The Ouzo Prophecy," long before gematria or any spiritual significance, when the paper was merely a promotional idea to promote the game as having been predicted in Revelation 13:18. ...

The game is not predicted in that verse?

That you were already deep into Revelation shows that it had 'spiritual' significance for you.

After mentioning the two basic interpretations of the verse, I was ready to write the Ouzo paragraph, which I had expected to be the easiest and most enjoyable part of the paper. However, I sat there for fifteen to twenty minutes without being able to write a single word, not even a false start. And I slowly began to realize I had absolutely nothing to say. I couldn't just say, here's another interpretation, there had to be some kind of bridge. I felt totally humiliated. Why had I gone to all of this trouble and done all of this so-called research only to discover I had nothing to say. I couldn't believe it. Finally, in total exasperation, I implored myself to write SOMETHING! And I immediately started to write automatically without a single word going through my conscious mind, and critiquing what I wrote as though it were being written by someone else. I finished the paragraph immediately compared to the three or four hours it took to write each of the earlier ones.

This is why its called 'automatic writing', as it access the 'unconscious' and is a useful tool for writers block. What you describe is what many writers call the creative act.

[bobevenson]

No, the automatic writing came in the earliest stages of "The Ouzo Prophecy," long before gematria or any spiritual significance, when the paper was merely a promotional idea to promote the game as having been predicted in Revelation 13:18. ...

The game is not predicted in that verse? What do you mean? The promotional idea was that it was.
That you were already deep into Revelation shows that it had 'spiritual' significance for you. At that point, I had only read Rev. 13:18, nothing more.

After mentioning the two basic interpretations of the verse, I was ready to write the Ouzo paragraph, which I had expected to be the easiest and most enjoyable part of the paper. However, I sat there for fifteen to twenty minutes without being able to write a single word, not even a false start. And I slowly began to realize I had absolutely nothing to say. I couldn't just say, here's another interpretation, there had to be some kind of bridge. I felt totally humiliated. Why had I gone to all of this trouble and done all of this so-called research only to discover I had nothing to say. I couldn't believe it. Finally, in total exasperation, I implored myself to write SOMETHING! And I immediately started to write automatically without a single word going through my conscious mind, and critiquing what I wrote as though it were being written by someone else. I finished the paragraph immediately compared to the three or four hours it took to write each of the earlier ones.[/size][/b]

This is why its called 'automatic writing', as it access the 'unconscious' and is a useful tool for writers block. What you describe is what many writers call the creative act. No, it wasn't writer's block at all.

[Arising_uk]

This is a perfect description of writers block.

... However, I sat there for fifteen to twenty minutes without being able to write a single word, not even a false start. And I slowly began to realize I had absolutely nothing to say. ...

[Dontaskme]

Still, I agree, the known body is the knower.

If the knower of the body cannot be known by the body..what is the body but an image of the imagination, a mirage image, an hallucination.

Try looking down.

Ir doesn't matter where one looks, no thing is ever seen because seeing is not a thing to be seen...things are known in their image...appearing as a body...imaged by the imageless.

No as there is no such thing, just a knowing body which varies in its knowingness according to the wetware it has.

So the body is an hallucination of the non existent knower/seer....a mirage image?

[Arising_uk]

If the knower of the body cannot be known by the body...

There is no external 'knower of the body' if that's what you mean? The Body is the 'knower' of itself.

what is the body but an image of the imagination, a mirage image, an hallucination.

It's a thing with senses in an external world.

Ir doesn't matter where one looks, no thing is ever seen because seeing is not a thing to be seen...things are known in their image...appearing as a body...imaged by the imageless.

How do you know there are things then?

'Seeing' is a product of being a body with senses in an external world.

So the body is an hallucination of the non existent knower/seer....a mirage image?

No, a body with senses is the ground for being a knower and a seer.

[Dontaskme]

There is no external 'knower of the body' if that's what you mean?

If there is no external.. there would be no internal...so where is the knower located?

The Body is the 'knower' of itself.It's a thing with senses in an external world.

The body is a thing known, but are you sure the knower of the thing known is the body, isn't that like saying the head or heart know that they exist?

How do you know there are things then?

I know there are things, but I don't know who the thinker of things is ..there are thoughts arising but I don't know how, what or where they are.

'Seeing' is a product of being a body with senses in an external world.

I don't think there is a body external to the seer do you? how can a thing sensed or seen be external of the seeing?

No, a body with senses is the ground for being a knower and a seer.

What if there is no ground of being?

We can talk about this on a new thread if you want ? but only if this is of any interest to you of course?

[bobevenson]

This is a perfect description of writers block.

... However, I sat there for fifteen to twenty minutes without being able to write a single word, not even a false start. And I slowly began to realize I had absolutely nothing to say. ...

No, it's like I suddenly realized the whole idea was pointless, that there really was nothing to say, that I had only been working on the promotional idea that Ouzo was predicted in the Bible because Revelation 13:18 sounded like a description of the game.

[Lacewing]

No, it's like I suddenly realized the whole idea was pointless

If you're lucky, that won't be the last time you have such a realization.

[bobevenson]

No, it's like I suddenly realized the whole idea was pointless

If you're lucky, that won't be the last time you have such a realization.

Of course in this case the automatic writing proved I was wrong, and I remember my exact reaction, "Wow, that's heavy, like philosophical!" but apparently not philosophical enough for this forum.

[Lacewing]

I remember exactly my reaction, "Wow, that's heavy, like philosophical!"

I'm sure that was exciting for you.

but apparently not philosophical enough for this forum.

Keep trying!

[bobevenson]

Well, that's probably why I'm here, to develop the necessary body armor for facing the rest of the world! Either that or to get you people to spell words in American English.

[Arising_uk]

No, it's like I suddenly realized the whole idea was pointless, that there really was nothing to say, that I had only been working on the promotional idea that Ouzo was predicted in the Bible because Revelation 13:18 sounded like a description of the game.

How can you have created a game based upon Revelation before you read Revelation?

I really shouldn't do this but how do the last three digits sum to 6?