Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:21 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:37 am
What makes you think she sees any?
I think that she sees perfection, and the fruits thereof.
I'm not sure that perfection can actually be achieved;
'Perfection' could either already exist, like for example exactly in how the state the Universe is in Here, NOW, which is always.
OR, in relation to human beings, and their behaviour, 'perfection' could be a state desired and/or orientated towards, but, like you, I do not see how 'this state' could ever actually be reached/achieved. And, this is just because the adult human being can always do, or behave, better.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm
I think it is more a hypothetical ideal than a reality.
In relation to human beings behaviour, I agree.
But, in relation to the Universe, Itself, and all of Its, physical, parts, human bodies obviously also included, then the way all of 'those things' are, exactly, at any given moment is 'perfection'. However, on the proviso, obviously, that the harm and damage caused and created by adult human beings 'Wrong or mis' behavior does not align with any True idea of an 'ideal perfect state'.
But, because of 'the way' human beings learn, and grow, properly and Correctly, that adult human beings do Wrong, and cause destruction, is in and of itself 'perfection', just 'playing itself out'
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm
And even then, perfection could only be relative to a particular set of ideals, and what two people are likely to have the exact same requirements, in every precise detail?
There is 'a state' in which every human being started out wanting and desiring.
And, just like how, 'What is, actually, Right, and Wrong, in Life? 'What is, actually, True, in Life?' are found and uncovered, is by 'that', which every one agrees with, and accepts, so to is how, 'What is, actual, perfection?' is found, and uncovered, in the exact same way.
What absolutely every human being started out, in Life, wanting and desiring, is 'a state of perfection', which could be orientated towards, obviously once how 'that state' could be reached and is achieved is first learned, and understood, but which is 'a state', like you agree with that may not ever actually be able to be reached, and achieved. However, the, real, 'beauty', here, is, finally, 'knowing' what the, actual, agreed upon, and accepted, by all, 'goal' is, in Life, and that 'we' are all working together towards making 'that goal', 'the Reality'.
After all, all working together, in peace and in harmony, as One, towards the exact same goal that everyone, naturally, wants and desires anyway, is, in itself, an existing state of 'Perfection', Itself.
Again, 'It' is not 'a state' that can be reached nor achieved, but 'It' is a state , when existing, is, already, exiting.
(Although this might sound contradictory, to some, it can be explained further, and in much, much more detsil.)
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm
I don't know who that man is, so I have no idea what his fruits are, but I'm guessing he has money.
In return, perfection not only sees but attracts beauty.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Conclusion: Perfection that doesn't bear fruit enough to attract beauty is not perfection,
