The true " religion " - the creator orientation

[Obvious Leo]

THAT shows that the universe can ONLY have been created by an unimaginable logic and power .

In this statement you commit a common but rather obvious logical fallacy by assuming that which you are seeking to prove. What evidence do you offer that the universe is a created entity?

[manden]

simple logic ! Try to grasp it !

But I think you have no chance , also not for my whole writing .

The fixations of religion and world block your logic in things about (true) God . You must try to come free .

[Obvious Leo]

simple logic ! Try to grasp it !

Don't you dare try to lecture me in matters of logic, you arrogant piece of shit. I've been in the philosophy business for over forty years and am in no need of instruction in such matters from the likes of you.

Answer my question. What makes you think the universe is a created entity? What is the nature of the logic syllogism which allows you to draw this conclusion?

[Jaded Sage]

Leo, my friend. You're not going to get anything out of him like that.

Manden, tell us about your search. Walk us through your logic and reason.

[manden]

simple logic ! Try to grasp it !

Don't you dare try to lecture me in matters of logic, you arrogant piece of shit. I've been in the philosophy business for over forty years and am in no need of instruction in such matters from the likes of you.

Answer my question. What makes you think the universe is a created entity? What is the nature of the logic syllogism which allows you to draw this conclusion?

Question is answered ! You cannot understand it because your (simple) logic is too low . The simple ( the real ) logic increases the nearer you are
to the TRUE God . And you are far away . Try to become a better man according NOT to human measure but to the measure of the TRUE God !

[Obvious Leo]

This is a philosophy forum, not a fucking pulpit. Piss off back to the company of others of your kind.

[Jaded Sage]

simple logic ! Try to grasp it !

Manden, focus on me, buddy. Tell me about your search. Walk me through your logic and reason. Tell me everything you know.

[manden]

Okay , Jaded .

You must search for the truth about the TRUE God with reason and logic , completely honest (especially to yourself) and WITHOUT fixations

( religion , world ) with all your strength and will . Then perhaps you can find some day the recognizable truth about the real creator of the

universe (the TRUE God) .

As far as I know till now nobody else could find it . Also not with my help . It is for this corrupt (religion , world) and ill mankind incredibly

difficult ! And that I say , what is the truth , does not help , too . But I will not give up , because I have decided out of my free will to obey

to the TRUE God ( because I am not crazy , that are those , who think that I am crazy ) .

[manden]

Jaded ,

what I noticed , that I can understand things about the true God easily , and I wonder others cannot understand , what is for me very simple .

I suppose , it has wit that to do , that I am near to the true God .

I know what is recognizable at him , and I know , what the mankind has to do here .

Simple things (for me) , but nobody can or want to understand it .

[SpheresOfBalance]

Because of the existence of the universe (everything) it lies near to suppose , that there is a creator of the universe ( can even be recognized ) .

MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE !

Out of the existence of the creator of the universe follows logically :

we must learn to treat his creation as well as possible - to live in real harmony with it .

THAT IS ALL ! Why is the mankind NOT ABLE to do that ? ? ?

Does anybody know it ?

Could someone translate this, as it seems English is not his native tongue.

[Jaded Sage]

Okay , Jaded .

You must search for the truth about the TRUE God with reason and logic , completely honest (especially to yourself) and WITHOUT fixations

( religion , world ) with all your strength and will . Then perhaps you can find some day the recognizable truth about the real creator of the

universe (the TRUE God) .

As far as I know till now nobody else could find it . Also not with my help . It is for this corrupt (religion , world) and ill mankind incredibly

difficult ! And that I say , what is the truth , does not help , too . But I will not give up , because I have decided out of my free will to obey

to the TRUE God ( because I am not crazy , that are those , who think that I am crazy ) .

Okay, you are saying a lot here. You are saying you must love and search for God with all your heart and strength and mind. You are also saying you must do this independently. What you are suggesting could fall into the category of mysticism. Remember that word. You are also saying that God is something that can be comprehended rationally, but there is also an aspect that is "unrecognizable." I think maybe you mean unintelligible or ineffible. I know that it is difficult for others to see what is so easy for you. You can partially see it in attitude. Indeed, you are not crazy. You are beautiful. But calling them crazy, however true or untrue that may be, doesn't usually help. Only in very rare cases. You are going to be shunned. That is a prophets reward. Keep it up. Here is the most important thing: you say you know what humanity has to do. What do we have to do? We have to be more hamonious, right? How do we do that? What will inspire us to become more harmonious? Be patient with others. That is most important for you. You cannot lose your cool like you almost did before or it undermines your whole message. Be patient. Be calm. What else do we as humanity have to do?

You bring a message of harmony, and we need that on this website. But you have to lead by example. You simply must. Now here is the bad news. The language barrier might be a problem. We will do our best to understand you, but you must expect frustration to come as a result of this. Be calm, patient and harmonious anyway.

[manden]

Jaded , just the important , I cannot avoid the hard truth about the mankind . I will show later , why .

What the mankind has to do here :

to learn to live in real harmony with the creator - human beings and nature .

THAT IS ALL !

But the mankind is NOT able to do it more than a little since many thousand years !

WHY ?

Because the mankind could not recognize at the existence of the universe that the real creator of the universe really exists - till now .

Instead of that they created their own Gods with their own religions and their own rules , so that they could and can live like T H E Y want .

And that is the reason , why we have a godless , corrupt and ill mankind and world .

The mankind must completely change ! That is the only way !

I can say what is to do , more not .

[Jaded Sage]

Tell me about the Creator.

Ya know, I use that word orientation sometimes too. It has many synonymns.

[manden]

The TRUE God is the real creator of the universe (more of him is not recognizable) .

Real creator of the universe means that he is that one , who really created everything . (the false Gods of religions are also called creator ,

but they created nothing , because they do not exist)

But that he is the real creator of the universe says very much . Think about it .

I give you the most important example for us : the best what we have from the real creator is reason , logic and moral .

With that we would be able to find the right way here . But we could it only a little ! WHY ?

[Jaded Sage]

So reason comes from God.

I like it.