Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?

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The term "theists" implied they by definition believe there is a God and that created the universe.

No it doesn't. Theism implies a belief in a God.

The term leaves open the questions "What is God?" and "What does it mean to believe (or not believe) in God?".

e.g Pantheism. What is God? God is the Universe.

What does it even mean to believe (or not believe) in God-The-Universe?

[Atla]

Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?

Your above is very rhetorical and an attempt to deceive the unwary.

Note atheists do not insist that if there is a God that it created the Universe.
The first strategy of the atheists would to insist, if there is a God, prove such a God exists first. Because the atheists is so confident God does not exists, the question of God creating the Universe is moot.

And,
"Why do theists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe"
is an oxymoron.
The term "theists" implied they by definition believe there is a God and that created the universe. There is no question of 'if there is a God' for theists.

[A]theists are indifferent to the existence of a God.
The atheist stance is to to note the theists' claim,
God exists as real and God created the Universe.
From there theists will attempt to prove the theists' claim is false or impossible.

You are merely bullsh1tting with the above rhetorics.

Someone give this guy a goddamn dictionary already. Because googling words is clearly beyond his abilities.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The term "theists" implied they by definition believe there is a God and that created the universe.

No it doesn't. Theism implies a belief in a God.

The term leaves open the questions "What is God?" and "What does it mean to believe (or not believe) in God?".

e.g Pantheism. What is God? God is the Universe.

What does it even mean to believe (or not believe) in God-The-Universe?

Even in pantheism, the Universe is a manifestation of God, which by implication means creating the Universe but play no active part in it thereafter like the personal God.

[Skepdick]

Even in pantheism, the Universe is a manifestation of God

Nonsense. It's not a manifestation of God. The Universe is identical to God.

This is what wikipedia says:
Pantheism is the belief that reality is identical with divinity, or that all-things compose an all-encompassing, immanent god.

This is what the Merriam-Webster dictionary says:
a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe

This is what the Oxford dictionary says:
A doctrine which identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.

I question why you've cherry-picked the secondary meaning from the Oxford dictionary and ignored the primary meaning from all other sources.

by implication means creating the Universe but play no active part in it thereafter like the personal God.

So The Universe created itself, but plays no active role in itself thereafter like a personal Universe?

Do you even know when to stop spewing bullshit?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Even in pantheism, the Universe is a manifestation of God

Nonsense. It's not a manifestation of God. The Universe is identical to God.

This is what wikipedia says:
Pantheism is the belief that reality is identical with divinity, or that all-things compose an all-encompassing, immanent god.

This is what the Merriam-Webster dictionary says:
a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe

This is what the Oxford dictionary says:
A doctrine which identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.

I question why you've cherry-picked the secondary meaning from the Oxford dictionary and ignored the primary meaning from all other sources.

by implication means creating the Universe but play no active part in it thereafter like the personal God.

So The Universe created itself, but plays no active role in itself thereafter like a personal Universe?

Do you even know when to stop spewing bullshit?

You are too superficial merely bullshitting your definitions from dictionaries rather than the actual practices of pantheism. Btw, I was once a pantheist in the Vedanta tradition.

Here is one example;

• In the case of Sikhism, stories attributed to Guru Nanak suggest that he believed God was everywhere in the physical world, and the Sikh tradition typically describes God as the preservative force within the physical world, present in all material forms, each created as a manifestation of God. However, Sikhs view God as the transcendent creator,[107] "immanent in the phenomenal reality of the world in the same way in which an artist can be said to be present in his art".[108] This implies a more panentheistic position.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism ... _religions

The above is the same within pantheism in the Hindu perspective.

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You are too superficial merely bullshitting your definitions from dictionaries rather than the actual practices of pantheism. Btw, I was once a pantheist in the Vedanta tradition.

Oh. Tell us all about it. You used to believe the Universe is God. Now you no longer believe in God.

What does it mean (in practice) to stop believing in The Universe?

[Veritas Aequitas]

You are too superficial merely bullshitting your definitions from dictionaries rather than the actual practices of pantheism. Btw, I was once a pantheist in the Vedanta tradition.

Oh. Tell us all about it. You used to believe the Universe is God. Now you no longer believe in God.

How did your practices change when you stopped believing in The Universe?

At present I do NOT believe in The 100%-Whole-Universe created by a God.
I have argued the 100%-Whole-Universe is a transcendental illusion.

I believe in the whatever is empirically justified within the cosmos.

[Skepdick]

At present I do NOT believe in The 100%-Whole-Universe created by a God.

You don't believe The universe created The Universe? Yeah - that would be a weird belief.

Do you believe in causality, at least? And if yes - what do you believe caused The Universe?

I have argued the 100%-Whole-Universe is a transcendental illusion.

I believe in the whatever is empirically justified within the cosmos.

So you don't believe in the cosmos (a.k.a The Universe) itself? You only believed in the contents of The Universe?

[Veritas Aequitas]

At present I do NOT believe in The 100%-Whole-Universe created by a God.

You don't believe The universe created The Universe?

Do you believe in causality, at least? And if yes - what do you believe caused The Universe?

I have argued the 100%-Whole-Universe is a transcendental illusion.

I believe in the whatever is empirically justified within the cosmos.

So you don't believe in the cosmos (a.k.a The Universe) itself? You only believed in the contents of The Universe?

Do you agree with Hume's counter against causality.
Hume demonstrated causality is purely psychological of customs, habits and constant conjunction.

I believe in whatever is empirically justified within the cosmos.

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Do you agree with Hume's counter against causality.
Hume demonstrated causality is purely psychological of customs, habits and constant conjunction.

Causality is (at the very least) the ordering of events. It's not psychological.

You were born after your parents. The reverse order of things is impossible.

I believe in whatever is empirically justified within the cosmos.

I didn't ask you about things WITHIN the cosmos (The Universe, God). I asked you whether you believe IN the cosmos (The Universe, God).

Why do you keep dodging questions?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Do you agree with Hume's counter against causality.
Hume demonstrated causality is purely psychological of customs, habits and constant conjunction.

Causality is (at the very least) the ordering of events. It's not psychological.

You were born after your parents. The reverse order of things is impossible.

I believe in whatever is empirically justified within the cosmos.

I didn't ask you about things WITHIN the cosmos (The Universe, God). I asked you whether you believe IN the cosmos (The Universe, God).

Why do you keep dodging questions?

With reference to Hume's explanation on causality in relation to customs, habits and conjunction, what do you think he meant if not they are reducible to psychology?

I [atheist] don't believe in God [obviously] and the said Universe created by God.

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With reference to Hume's explanation on causality in relation to customs, habits and conjunction, what do you think he meant if not they are reducible to psychology?

I don't care what Hume meant.

I [atheist] don't believe in God [obviously] and the said Universe created by God.

I never accused you in believing in a created universe. I am accusing you of believing in The Universe on the grounds of you speaking about it.

[Veritas Aequitas]

With reference to Hume's explanation on causality in relation to customs, habits and conjunction, what do you think he meant if not they are reducible to psychology?

I don't care what Hume meant.

I [atheist] don't believe in God [obviously] and the said Universe created by God.

I never accused you in believing in a created universe. I am accusing you of believing in The Universe.

Can you prove Hume is wrong or you are merely escaping a justified argument by Hume?
At least show me a few philosophers who dispute Hume's claim on causality and the psychological implications?
Btw, Hume is one of the greatest Western philosopher of all times.

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Can you prove Hume is wrong or you are merely escaping a justified argument by Hume?
At least show me a few philosophers who dispute Hume's claim on causality and the psychological implications?
Btw, Hume is one of the greatest Western philosopher of all times.

I don't care to discuss Hume. I care to discuss your belief in The Universe.

Your attempt to derail the focus of discussion is duly noted.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Can you prove Hume is wrong or you are merely escaping a justified argument by Hume?
At least show me a few philosophers who dispute Hume's claim on causality and the psychological implications?
Btw, Hume is one of the greatest Western philosopher of all times.

I don't care to discuss Hume. I care to discuss your belief in The Universe.

Your attempt to derail the focus of discussion is duly noted.

I am consistent in my beliefs.
If there is any confusion, it is on your side.