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Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:38 pm I think what we have with Walker is a person, whom in common with many Trumpers, is in the grip of the Dunning/Kruger effect.
He is pathologically incapable of unthinking his most fundamental delusions.

Well, it’s called exploring probabilities and possibilities. That’s the purpose of thinking. The purpose of the physical body is to subsequently pull the trigger based on the highest probability. One should happen in conjunction with the other. I supplied the first. You followed along with an irrational, conditioned hatred of Trump that colored all your judgments. Sort of like a malicious parrot without a brain.

Don't worry so much about me.

You have hands full with your stupidity.

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:09 pm Which will more effectively help to reunify America, punishment or forgiveness for T**** and his followers?

Find some way to turn them into sheep.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:31 am People should not dismiss accountability for those who threaten our safety and peace, as that sets a very low bar for everything that follows.

Exactly. There are many consequences for stealing elections and denying due process that threaten the safety of the citizens, and the system of governance that is the country itself.

I figure it’s best to keep any yammering about United States politics, and any attendant effluvium that follows in its wake, to one or more threads, in order to not pollute pristine discussions on the forum with United States stuff, for whatever reasons that stuff is despised.

Deplorable topics should know their place.

As this link objectively indicates, Congress should not be making any rash decisions further narrowing civil-rights. Most of the country doesn't think much of their doings.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/207 ... -congress/

And as the riot indicates, all people can get pretty savage when what is precious is threatened and taken away. This is to be distinguished from the Leftist riots that were defended by Democrats in Congress. In those riots, people got pretty savage when they had the chance to loot retail stores.


Congress should realize that there is the principle of martyrdom to consider, and how many are ultimately martyred by the election that the Democrats corrupted.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:54 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:38 pm I think what we have with Walker is a person, whom in common with many Trumpers, is in the grip of the Dunning/Kruger effect.
He is pathologically incapable of unthinking his most fundamental delusions.

Well, it’s called exploring probabilities and possibilities. ...
Don't worry so much about me.

You have hands full with your rationality

lol

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:02 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY

Yes, this is your version of evidence. Not very convincing.
Here's mine.

Now for your claim that the seize of the Capitol was instigated by Antifa, would have to mean that those now under arrest were; either 1) actually members of Antifa, or 2) so gullible that they were not able to make their own choices and were convinced somehow to do the bidding of Antifa.
Take a look at the Video and identify each of the defendents charged with several offences ,and for each one indicated whether or not they conform to 1 or 2.

If you can't then you know what you CAN do.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitic ... 8628285195

This should give a giggle to the amused, floating above it all, detached from earthly concerns.

Big Tech alums flow into Biden administration amid crackdown on Trump allies
https://nypost.com/2021/01/11/big-tech- ... mp-allies/

“Senior employees of tech giants such as Facebook, Google and Twitter are preparing to join President-elect Joe Biden’s administration amid a digital crackdown on President Trump’s supporters.”

“Big Tech aides pouring into the Biden White House and federal agencies will give the companies access to decision-makers, including the president, potentially conflating the policies of the large companies and the government. The influx also could influence other policies, including anti-trust actions and the future of Section 230 legal protections.”


Commentary: Just in case there was any doubt about the Democratic Party's capacity to silence anyone.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:01 pm This should give a giggle to the amused, floating above it all, detached from earthly concerns.

Big Tech alums flow into Biden administration amid crackdown on Trump allies
https://nypost.com/2021/01/11/big-tech- ... mp-allies/

“Senior employees of tech giants such as Facebook, Google and Twitter are preparing to join President-elect Joe Biden’s administration amid a digital crackdown on President Trump’s supporters.”

“Big Tech aides pouring into the Biden White House and federal agencies will give the companies access to decision-makers, including the president, potentially conflating the policies of the large companies and the government. The influx also could influence other policies, including anti-trust actions and the future of Section 230 legal protections.”


Commentary: Just in case there was any doubt about the Democratic Party's capacity to silence anyone.

There is much to be said in support of freedom of speech. However this is a struggle for democracy which while is recognises its opposite, fascism, does not permit it.
Therefore hate speech has to be against the law because is unreasoning.Democracy for all its faults requires a modicum of reason.

Fascism is about to become a global force, and so far the US has bravely resisted it.

Gee whiz.

This is also gloomy.

Better find the soma before reading, although for those who find glee in this, then some accompanying images of violence might be more appropriate than soma to heighten the joy.

What now: Terrifying times lie ahead.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/0 ... uce-bawer/

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:00 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:31 am People should not dismiss accountability for those who threaten our safety and peace, as that sets a very low bar for everything that follows.

Exactly. There are many consequences for stealing elections and denying due process that threaten the safety of the citizens, and the system of governance that is the country itself.

You are too mentally intoxicated to have a reasonable conversation with because you are limited and dishonest by obsessing on things from one vantage point only.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:01 pm This should give a giggle to the amused, floating above it all, detached from earthly concerns.

Now for your claim that the seize of the Capitol was instigated by Antifa, would have to mean that those now under arrest were; either 1) actually members of Antifa, or 2) so gullible that they were not able to make their own choices and were convinced somehow to do the bidding of Antifa.
Take a look at the Video and identify each of the defendents charged with several offences ,and for each one indicated whether or not they conform to 1 or 2.

If you can't then you know what you CAN do.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitic ... 8628285195

Now that everyone has their version of the recent past, along with its causes, firmly and securely lodged into place, moving forward.

Impeachment. Good idea or bad? It’s being done for retribution, for punishment, and to discourage any future rise of Trump as a political focal point for the will of The People.

Here are some of the elements comprising the condition of this impeachment, the broth for the impeachment soup of Trump, which would legally fail on the merits of the charges:
- Joe Biden’s history of corruption.
- The Hunter Biden laptop
- Daily persecution of Trump all during his administration
- The crippling response to the pandemic that favored big business and destroyed small business.
- Democrats in the pocket of big tech.
- Rioting condoned by Democrats all during 2020.

These things may not be newsworthy to the media, but these are the forces of discontent for a lot of people in the country, and French history teaches that cancel culture can be as indiscriminate as a pandemic virus, only less benign.

The reasoning that points to the involvement of Antifa is sound. To reiterate:

- Antifa has been present during past demonstrations involving Trump supporters.
- Antifa was supposedly absent during this event.
- Antifa is a violent organization.
- Eyewitness accounts of Antifa.
- The media immediately declared that Antifa was not involved, before there was time to actually investigate.
- Antifa do not carry membership cards, so identification of someone as Antifa is only possible after an investigation of their background and associations, and even that is circumstantial.
- The FBI’s involvement in the willfully false persecution of Trump all during his winning campaign and presidency revealed that the FBI was weaponized by their Democratic Party, therefore reports of their investigations that involve politics, are suspect.
- The media’s disregard for truth and its modern mission to push political narratives also discredits any exoneration of Antifa as not only a participating element of the riot, but likely involved in inciting and inflaming actual mob violence.
- To say that Antifa is involved is not to say that Trump supporters were not involved, which is obvious but apparently can't be seen unless said, and even then ...

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:41 am Now that everyone has their version of the recent past, along with its causes, firmly and securely lodged into place, moving forward.

You version is WRONG.


Now for your claim that the seize of the Capitol was instigated by Antifa, would have to mean that those now under arrest were; either 1) actually members of Antifa, or 2) so gullible that they were not able to make their own choices and were convinced somehow to do the bidding of Antifa.
Take a look at the Video and identify each of the defendents charged with several offences ,and for each one indicated whether or not they conform to 1 or 2.

If you can't then you know what you CAN do.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitic ... 8628285195