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Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:00 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Here, you can gain at the very least another impression of the real situation in Ukraine. It is part of an analysis of *deconstruction* of the present narrative. The ultimate meaning? Simply the suggestion that what we see, what is presented to us, is not — and likely never is! — the *actual truth*.

This is a hard one to talk about. But if we propose that we are presently in a state of war — a 4th and 5th generation type of war — then it might be easier to gain some distance from so-called *propaganda narratives* and, then to decide to unlink oneself from the emotional commitment which they ask for and attain when The Crowd and its sentiments are manipulated for political and social purposes.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:02 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:00 pm I feel like we are past the point where they deserve pity.
After such misapplied pity there needs to arise a purifying sentiment. May I suggest rage? 😡

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:07 pm
by Atla
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:02 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:00 pm I feel like we are past the point where they deserve pity.
After such misapplied pity there needs to arise a purifying sentiment. May I suggest rage? 😡
No rage. Imo nothing short of the cold-blooded suppression of the idiot 2/3 of the populations in Western countries might help at this point.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:15 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
To simply get a glimpse into an entirely different view of the events of January 6th one has to look for it. You certainly will not find it in the MSM.

One way to do that is to examine the event is (as I said) from the perspective of it being a Federally-conducted Op. You would have to understand the FBI as capable of such things as a starting point.

The other is to examine the treatment of many of those who were, as they express it, thrown into an American gulag. I submit this one because it seemed to me pretty revealing.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:17 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:07 pm No rage. Imo nothing short of the cold-blooded suppression of the idiot 2/3 of the populations in Western countries might help at this point.
Can you talk more about this? How should this manifest in your opinion?

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:25 pm
by Atla
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:17 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:07 pm No rage. Imo nothing short of the cold-blooded suppression of the idiot 2/3 of the populations in Western countries might help at this point.
Can you talk more about this? How should this manifest in your opinion?
The only thing I can think of is to have voting rights tied to IQ/EQ/knowledge tests.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:12 pm
by Belinda
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:00 pm
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 12:36 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:32 am Apparently, making America great again meant quickly turning it into a chaotic autoritharian regime led by a vengeful, senile clinical narcissist. The American dream is over. But that's nothing, the even bigger problem is the astonishing speed at which the US turns on its longstanding allies and helps its longstanding enemies to victory. This may very well have irreversible consequences. Well I hope the Trump-supporters are happy now.
One pities them when they discover their hero is a fraud
I feel like we are past the point where they deserve pity.
People can't help it if they have been badly socialised. We need to find out dispassionately why it happened that trump supporters became ignorant and stupid.
And then try to influence them as and when we can.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:29 pm
by Belinda
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:25 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:17 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:07 pm No rage. Imo nothing short of the cold-blooded suppression of the idiot 2/3 of the populations in Western countries might help at this point.
Can you talk more about this? How should this manifest in your opinion?
The only thing I can think of is to have voting rights tied to IQ/EQ/knowledge tests.
The myth that inspires the 'red' states has historical origins. The myth includes not only the glorification of the macho man, but also distrust of college education, and the comparatively wealthy civilisation of eastern USA.
The public school system cannot be expected to cope in the face of a myth that despises book learning and the authority of scholars.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:44 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:12 pm People can't help it if they have been badly socialised. We need to find out dispassionately why it happened that trump supporters became ignorant and stupid.

And then try to influence them as and when we can.
My experience in studying the Dissident Right for over 10 years (unofficially) is that this is anything but true. First, the Dissident Right in Europe has influenced the Dissident Right in America, and the European DR is anything but stupid or ignorant. What they are is aware that *something has been done to them*. That is, that something occurred in European culture that emasculated men. The essence is there. This European man, the product of these processes of liberalization, had the ground under his feet removed from him. Had his *identity* thrown into moral doubt. And this man was attacked and made to feel unwelcome to himself.

One of the interesting manifestations of a new political will is taking the shape of the selection of Robert Kennedy Jr. to lead the HHS with the declared realization that America is terribly unhealthy and suffering “chronic diseases”. Aware people realize that physical health, mental health, cultural health and spiritual health are all part of a whole, and therefore a holistic approach to the well-being of men has been and is one of the major points of focus among those of the Dissident Right. That is, a sort of social and cultural biopsy that attempts to underdstand, and begin to counteract, *what happened* and why.

The question of rediscovering what is empowering is a vital concern, and associated with it is a recovery of a religious orientation. Meaning, for example, redefinition of one’s own *metaphysical dream* and that vision and understanding of life around which one can orient oneself. There are such movements within pagan traditionalism and at the same time within Christian traditionalism, both Protestant and Catholic. The value of studying people like René Guénon (Crisis of the Modern World) and Julius Evola (Revolt Against the Modern World) is that each of these defined metaphysics as the more important locus of religious principles.

A huge part of the present cultural manifestation that is labeled extreme right actually has much to do with the discovery of a type of will that can act against decades of social programming. In short it is saying *Fuck off* to that weakening ideology and all that undermines a genuine manliness. Naturally this involves redefinitions of what being *manly* entails. And in the process of redefinition there is also the necessary analysis of what makes a man weak.

Steve Bannon is an important figure in the Dissident Right (his podcasts are very popular among the MAGA crowd) is quite well-read among most of those who are European Dissident Right authors and theorists.

Those who write on this forum are, to be honest, nearly completely of the intellectual roots that stand behind the manifestations of the Dissident Right. You effectively *hide your heads in the sand* and refuse even to examine what must certainly be examined if you were to get any genuine, operative understanding of the present.

See this talk on Steve Bannon’s background.

Consider this as well.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:03 pm
by Atla
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:44 pm
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:12 pm People can't help it if they have been badly socialised. We need to find out dispassionately why it happened that trump supporters became ignorant and stupid.

And then try to influence them as and when we can.
My experience in studying the Dissident Right for over 10 years (unofficially) is that this is anything but true. First, the Dissident Right in Europe has influenced the Dissident Right in America, and the European DR is anything but stupid or ignorant. What they are is aware that *something has been done to them*. That is, that something occurred in European culture that emasculated men. The essence is there. This European man, the product of these processes of liberalization, had the ground under his feet removed from him. Had his *identity* thrown into moral doubt. And this man was attacked and made to feel unwelcome to himself.

One of the interesting manifestations of a new political will is taking the shape of the selection of Robert Kennedy Jr. to lead the HHS with the declared realization that America is terribly unhealthy and suffering “chronic diseases”. Aware people realize that physical health, mental health, cultural health and spiritual health are all part of a whole, and therefore a holistic approach to the well-being of men has been and is one of the major points of focus among those of the Dissident Right. That is, a sort of social and cultural biopsy that attempts to underdstand, and begin to counteract, *what happened* and why.

The question of rediscovering what is empowering is a vital concern, and associated with it is a recovery of a religious orientation. Meaning, for example, redefinition of one’s own *metaphysical dream* and that vision and understanding of life around which one can orient oneself. There are such movements within pagan traditionalism and at the same time within Christian traditionalism, both Protestant and Catholic. The value of studying people like René Guénon (Crisis of the Modern World) and Julius Evola (Revolt Against the Modern World) is that each of these defined metaphysics as the more important locus of religious principles.

A huge part of the present cultural manifestation that is labeled extreme right actually has much to do with the discovery of a type of will that can act against decades of social programming. In short it is saying *Fuck off* to that weakening ideology and all that undermines a genuine manliness. Naturally this involves redefinitions of what being *manly* entails. And in the process of redefinition there is also the necessary analysis of what makes a man weak.

Steve Bannon is an important figure in the Dissident Right (his podcasts are very popular among the MAGA crowd) is quite well-read among most of those who are European Dissident Right authors and theorists.

Those who write on this forum are, to be honest, nearly completely of the intellectual roots that stand behind the manifestations of the Dissident Right. You effectively *hide your heads in the sand* and refuse even to examine what must certainly be examined if you were to get any genuine, operative understanding of the present.

See this talk on Steve Bannon’s background.

Consider this as well.
Who the fuck cares about these things when the real stake is whether there'll be nuclear war with Russia? How manly can you be when you're dead?

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:16 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Please people, listen to this fanfare before reading each of my posts. It really does set the tone and provide the proper mood. Something dynamic, energizing and vital has come among ye!

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:20 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Hail!
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:03 pm Who the fuck cares about these things when the real stake is whether there'll be nuclear war with Russia? How manly can you be when you're dead?
So, if there were no danger of nuclear war you’d then care?

There has been a recent de-escalation with Russia if my sources are correct. And this must therefore be a very good thing!

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:23 pm
by Atla
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:20 pm Hail!
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:03 pm Who the fuck cares about these things when the real stake is whether there'll be nuclear war with Russia? How manly can you be when you're dead?
So, if there were no danger of nuclear war you’d then care?

There has been a recent de-escalation with Russia if my sources are correct. And this must therefore be a very good thing!
What de-escalation? Letting Putin win in Ukraine and having the "dissident right" take over in the US and Europe is maybe the best way of having limited nuclear wars within a few years.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:14 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:23 pm What de-escalation? Letting Putin win in Ukraine and having the "dissident right" take over in the US and Europe is maybe the best way of having limited nuclear wars within a few years.
What a novel theory. How do you see that coming about?

Are you aware of Jeffrey Sach’s view of the causes of the Ukraine war?

The Dissident Right refers to a group of theorists largely. It is true that their influence has extended to some people like Bannon and JD Vance but to say they have “taken over” is far-fetched.

Re: Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:37 pm
by Atla
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:14 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:23 pm What de-escalation? Letting Putin win in Ukraine and having the "dissident right" take over in the US and Europe is maybe the best way of having limited nuclear wars within a few years.
What a novel theory. How do you see that coming about?

Are you aware of Jeffrey Sach’s view of the causes of the Ukraine war?

The Dissident Right refers to a group of theorists largely. It is true that their influence has extended to some people like Bannon and JD Vance but to say they have “taken over” is far-fetched.
Far-right then. If you only look at the West's fault in the conflicts of the last 25 years and ignore Russia's fault, then you too are committed to the destruction of the world and I won't waste any more words on you. Someone who pretends not to know that between the Western "establishment" and Russia, the latter is the greater evil, can't be reasoned with.