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accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:31 am I'm sure women can manage without your 'help'.

Apparently, you don't think so. Were you not just begging for men to intervene on behalf of women's own sports, and complaining that too few of them would?

Hey, ladies...fix the problem you created.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:35 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:31 am I'm sure women can manage without your 'help'.

Apparently, you don't think so. Were you not just begging for men to intervene on behalf of women's own sports, and complaining that too few of them would?

Hey, ladies...fix the problem you created.

Ooh yes, I was 'begging' Stating facts isn't 'begging' sweet pea. I'm sure you will be able to find these 'begging, pleading' comments of mine. They don't exist because I've always thought that men don't belong in this fight. They all have their own self-serving agendas and end up being more of a hindrance than a help. You are pathetic. I knew it wouldn't take long for you to show your true colours

It's the handmaidens who disgust me the most, which includes the ones you hilariously label as 'feminists'. They are feminists in the same way that 'transwimin' are women. They say it so it must be true, right?

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:41 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:35 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:31 am I'm sure women can manage without your 'help'.

Apparently, you don't think so. Were you not just begging for men to intervene on behalf of women's own sports, and complaining that too few of them would?

Hey, ladies...fix the problem you created.

I've always thought that men don't belong in this fight.

Then you had nothing to complain about. You'll handle it, right? You're a strong, independent, powerful woman...you don't need help.

Got it.

Just a woman. According to IC the word 'feminist' means 'men's rights activist'. We bow down to the man who knows these things. There's nothing like a good old-fashioned mansplanation to put things right

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:46 am Just a woman. According to IC the word 'feminist' means 'men's rights activist'.

Not according to me: according to the "non-TERF Feminists." You clicked the link, right? Then you know.

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:41 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:35 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:31 am I'm sure women can manage without your 'help'.

Apparently, you don't think so. Were you not just begging for men to intervene on behalf of women's own sports, and complaining that too few of them would?

Hey, ladies...fix the problem you created.

Ooh yes, I was 'begging' Stating facts isn't 'begging' sweet pea. I'm sure you will be able to find these 'begging, pleading' comments of mine. They don't exist because I've always thought that men don't belong in this fight.

It might surprise you to learn that I actually agree!

Trans women in womens' toilets? In womens' sports? I think everything should be up to women to vote for, in each state, and they should even be allowed to change their mind in, say, 5 years (or maybe after a petitioned referendum or something).

So the state of California, for example, could have women vote on this, and maybe they choose to not have trans women banned from womens' bathrooms. Then, maybe that works out and they're happy with that decision, or maybe not and maybe they come to regret it. If they regret it, there'll be an opportunity to reverse, and it will be exclusively up to women as a group.

And each sport individually should have the same thing. Maybe womens volleyball votes to ban trans women, but womens table tennis votes to keep them. I think it should be up to the women competing in the sport to decide.

I'm sure there will be objections to this, but at least this puts women's spaces into the hands of those who they were created for. If a state full of women decide they want to allow trans into their toilets, then I think, so be it.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:25 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:41 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:35 am
Apparently, you don't think so. Were you not just begging for men to intervene on behalf of women's own sports, and complaining that too few of them would?

Hey, ladies...fix the problem you created.

Ooh yes, I was 'begging' Stating facts isn't 'begging' sweet pea. I'm sure you will be able to find these 'begging, pleading' comments of mine. They don't exist because I've always thought that men don't belong in this fight.

It might surprise you to learn that I actually agree!

Trans women in womens' toilets? In womens' sports? I think everything should be up to women to vote for, in each state, and they should even be allowed to change their mind in, say, 5 years (or maybe after a petitioned referendum or something).

So the state of California, for example, could have women vote on this, and maybe they choose to not have trans women banned from womens' bathrooms. Then, maybe that works out and they're happy with that decision, or maybe not and maybe they come to regret it. If they regret it, there'll be an opportunity to reverse, and it will be exclusively up to women as a group.

And each sport individually should have the same thing. Maybe womens volleyball votes to ban trans women, but womens table tennis votes to keep them. I think it should be up to the women competing in the sport to decide.

I'm sure there will be objections to this, but at least this puts women's spaces into the hands of those who they were created for. If a state full of women decide they want to allow trans into their toilets, then I think, so be it.

There is no such thing as 'transwimmin'. What's wrong with the word men? 'Use the correct word and it's easy to see how preposterous your proposals are. Double-speak' and Newspeak have messed society up to the point where communication is almost impossible now. 'Self ID' has made it so that ANY man can go in ANY woman-only space/sport/anywhere, thanks to language mangling double-speak. We are living in George Orwell's dystopian nightmare. These predatory men are men when it suits them to be men--like when they are raping/assaulting/intimidating women, or winning lucrative prizes in sports. Women don't have the option to 'change sex' back and forth when it suits them

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:31 pm easy to see how preposterous your proposals are

Preposterous that women be allowed to choose their own fate?

I thought you were supposed to be some kind of feminist. You don't think women can be trusted to choose?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:27 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:31 pm easy to see how preposterous your proposals are

Preposterous that women be allowed to choose their own fate?

I thought you were supposed to be some kind of feminist. You don't think women can be trusted to choose?

Why should they have to be voting for spaces and sports that they THEMSELVES have set up, to be SEPARATE from men's? We all know how it would be worded, in a way to guilt shame women as much as possible. I've seen the 'polls'. You would also have all the transmaidens voting to support the men they idolise. Plus, with self ID it would be meaningless, because these men can LEGALLY call themselves women so they would also be allowed to vote. Do you really think women's rights should be up for special voting? How many women would throw other women under the bus because they think it doesn't immediately affect THEM? That's not what rights are about. Scientific facts aren't decided by votes. Women's rights are already written into law, but everything has fallen apart thanks to the absurd 'self ID' bs-- and deliberately so. This has been in the making for decades and the internet has realised the fantasies of every cheating, predatory, misogynistic pervert on the planet.

And the fact that you use the word 'transwimmin' shows that you really don't give a shit. Just say men. Women are fighting this and making good progress in their own way.

Why would I need a special label to state the bleeding obvious? Is everyone who says that men aren't women a 'feminist'? What about Robert Winston? Is he a 'feminist'?

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:34 pm Women are fighting this and making good progress in their own way.

Actually, "wimmen" is a spelling first proposed and advocated by Feminists, in order to eliminate the word "man" from "woman." See https://floodmagazine.com/35458/go-your ... a-robbins/. And it's Feminists who are campaigning for the inclusion of "trans-women" (which as you note, are really nothing other than men) in the Feminist fold. https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/ ... ens-rights.

Your version of Feminism, I hesitate to tell you, is not many other Feminists' version of Feminism. Feminists would put you in the TERF camp. So not only is Feminism not "making progress in their own way" on that issue, they're actually trying to block women like you from being able to make any progress on it at all.

Ok dear.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:27 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:31 pm easy to see how preposterous your proposals are

Preposterous that women be allowed to choose their own fate?

I thought you were supposed to be some kind of feminist. You don't think women can be trusted to choose?

Are you suggesting free-will is not an illusion?

Pistolero wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 12:50 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:27 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:31 pm easy to see how preposterous your proposals are

Preposterous that women be allowed to choose their own fate?

I thought you were supposed to be some kind of feminist. You don't think women can be trusted to choose?

Are you suggesting free-will is not an illusion?

Are you, here, suggesting that you know what the words 'free-will' mean and/or what they are referring to, exactly?

If yes, then what is 'that', exactly?

I think the word will refers to the act of focusing on an objective, and the word 'free' is a qualifier of will, like 'strong' or 'weak.'

I'm sure you've experienced will in yourself, friend, or would you require an explanation and indisputable evidence before you even begin to think for yourself?
Freedom, on the other hand is more abstract, and can be connected to power.
A will's freedom is determined by its power - Will to Power.

If you prefer to define words in ways that satisfy a particular conclusion, then you are 'free' to do as you 'will.'