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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:19 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:04 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:03 pm

The world has been patient with America; it cannot afford to shoot this particular mad dog, for the world is an interrelated, interdependent whole, something the West will not acknowledge. The world is patient but carries a big stick. The age of colonialism is over, as painful to the West as this is. It started inheriting the British Empire after World War I. It's had a long run, the world at large is telling America to change and stop the killing wars and become a decent member of the world community, but up until now, this has fallen upon deaf ears. The world remains in jeopardy due to America and Israel, so the danger to all the earth hangs in the balance.
And why can't the West stop the war in Ukraine? Or the conquest of Taiwan.
Because they follow America and are still more habitual in their desire to maintain the colonial tradition, it is all they have known, and what they fear is doing without violent exploitation of the weaker nations. I must assume stupidity on the part of European nations; America realized its mistake in thinking it could defeat Russia, so what they are thinking, I have no idea, particularly with Russia's backup being China.
Nukes.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:30 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:01 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 4:45 pm

It is a nice effort on your part. Still, the world knows what the American empire is about, and they are sick of its endless war-making, its murderous regime changes of democratically elected governments. If it were an individual we were speaking of, he would be labeled a violent psychopath. America is presently an agent of genocide in Palestine and Gaza, and has long sold its sovereignty to world Zionism. Wonder how much the soul of America costs? For America, the dream of world domination is over, and with its fall goes Israel. The age of colonialism is over, and Israel and America want to hope the world at large has forgiveness within its heart. I am a Canadian and ashamed of my government's support of the Israeli and American genocide. Israel and the American house of Israel have told the world and the world court to kiss their asses, big mistake. Every empire falls, and America is falling. Look at your cities and the overwhelming homelessness that is a revolutionary pot boiling over. The world has taken its rabies shots, and it is no longer afraid to challenge the vicious master. Your media will tell you different. You need to find sources that are not corporate news/government news agencies, you need to hear the voice of the world at large.
The world has no voice. This is all just business as usual and more so. We are reverting to Orwell's nationalism everywhere. And there are 123,000,000 DPs. That will increase by a factor of 10 when we get to 4 degrees. There is no morality worth its name whatsoever in politics=populations.
I believe the BRICS federation of nations is the voice of the world, representing a large portion of the world's population. It is true that the American house of Israel and Israel itself have done their best to destroy the very concept of humanity, and that too is what the world is reacting to. Without a basic sense of decency, where do we go without that?
Riiiight. A belief eh? Humanity did America and Israel and the Holocaust and Imperialism and all of history. Its ruling class. So, the ruling class of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates are going to civilize us are they? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:39 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:30 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:01 pm
The world has no voice. This is all just business as usual and more so. We are reverting to Orwell's nationalism everywhere. And there are 123,000,000 DPs. That will increase by a factor of 10 when we get to 4 degrees. There is no morality worth its name whatsoever in politics=populations.
I believe the BRICS federation of nations is the voice of the world, representing a large portion of the world's population. It is true that the American house of Israel and Israel itself have done their best to destroy the very concept of humanity, and that too is what the world is reacting to. Without a basic sense of decency, where do we go without that?
Riiiight. A belief eh? Humanity did America and Israel and the Holocaust and Imperialism and all of history. Its ruling class. So, the ruling class of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates are going to civilize us are they? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Both, if you're with the status quo! In that case we can all kiss our asses goodby--lol!!
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:34 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:19 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:04 pm
And why can't the West stop the war in Ukraine? Or the conquest of Taiwan.
Because they follow America and are still more habitual in their desire to maintain the colonial tradition, it is all they have known, and what they fear is doing without violent exploitation of the weaker nations. I must assume stupidity on the part of European nations; America realized its mistake in thinking it could defeat Russia, so what they are thinking, I have no idea, particularly with Russia's backup being China.
Nukes.
Bottom line, your point is well taken!
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:43 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:39 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:30 pm

I believe the BRICS federation of nations is the voice of the world, representing a large portion of the world's population. It is true that the American house of Israel and Israel itself have done their best to destroy the very concept of humanity, and that too is what the world is reacting to. Without a basic sense of decency, where do we go without that?
Riiiight. A belief eh? Humanity did America and Israel and the Holocaust and Imperialism and all of history. Its ruling class. So, the ruling class of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates are going to civilize us are they? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Both, if you're with the status quo! In that case we can all kiss our asses goodby--lol!!
We're all with the status quo. Canada, for God's sake! And why would that bring about global collapse and total nuclear war?
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:45 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:34 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:19 pm

Because they follow America and are still more habitual in their desire to maintain the colonial tradition, it is all they have known, and what they fear is doing without violent exploitation of the weaker nations. I must assume stupidity on the part of European nations; America realized its mistake in thinking it could defeat Russia, so what they are thinking, I have no idea, particularly with Russia's backup being China.
Nukes.
Bottom line, your point is well taken!
They are a fine authority. To paraphrase Charles I on his arrest at musket point.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:04 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:03 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 2:50 pm

I had hoped that transitioning from a world power to a civilized member of the UN would be a peaceful one. Those of us who protested the wars did so in part because we thought peaceful coexistence was possible and preferable. People like you just validate the Netanyahus and George Bushes of the world, causing people to fear and seek security from the militarists. You seem to think that two wrongs make a right.
The world has been patient with America; it cannot afford to shoot this particular mad dog, for the world is an interrelated, interdependent whole, something the West will not acknowledge. The world is patient but carries a big stick. The age of colonialism is over, as painful to the West as this is. It started inheriting the British Empire after World War I. It's had a long run, the world at large is telling America to change and stop the killing wars and become a decent member of the world community, but up until now, this has fallen upon deaf ears. The world remains in jeopardy due to America and Israel, so the danger to all the earth hangs in the balance.
And why can't the West stop the war in Ukraine? Or the conquest of Taiwan.
Oh, and, er, those moral catastrophes are up on BRICS. Where the I occupies an 80% Muslim land.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 6:07 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:43 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:39 pm
Riiiight. A belief eh? Humanity did America and Israel and the Holocaust and Imperialism and all of history. Its ruling class. So, the ruling class of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates are going to civilize us are they? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Both, if you're with the status quo! In that case we can all kiss our asses goodby--lol!!
We're all with the status quo. Canada, for God's sake! And why would that bring about global collapse and total nuclear war?
The status quo for the West is colonialism/aggression, the desire for world domination. The old colonies of the East will no longer be subjugated; they are not as weak as in the past. With the status quo, we are in constant danger of nuclear war.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 6:45 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 6:07 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 5:43 pm

Both, if you're with the status quo! In that case we can all kiss our asses goodby--lol!!
We're all with the status quo. Canada, for God's sake! And why would that bring about global collapse and total nuclear war?
The status quo for the West is colonialism/aggression, the desire for world domination. The old colonies of the East will no longer be subjugated; they are not as weak as in the past. With the status quo, we are in constant danger of nuclear war.
Erm, where is the West doing that? With BOTG? The British Army destroyed itself in Iraq & Afghanistan. America very wisely abandoned the latter after 20 wasted years. Keeps its hand in in and around Iraq.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 7:18 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 6:45 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 6:07 pm
We're all with the status quo. Canada, for God's sake! And why would that bring about global collapse and total nuclear war?
The status quo for the West is colonialism/aggression, the desire for world domination. The old colonies of the East will no longer be subjugated; they are not as weak as in the past. With the status quo, we are in constant danger of nuclear war.
Erm, where is the West doing that? With BOTG? The British Army destroyed itself in Iraq & Afghanistan. America very wisely abandoned the latter after 20 wasted years. Keeps its hand in in and around Iraq.
Yes, well, it does not sound like we are going to have a rewarding dialogue. What do you make of America's endless wars? What purpose do they serve other than feeding the industrial military complex? What do you think brought on the Ukraine crisis? Do you know any of its history? If you are an American, you seem uninformed about the country's history and behaviours in the here and now. So, America wants everyone to be free and happy, is that it?
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 4:45 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 3:23 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 1:55 pm
That's very emotional!
? not compared with you. And in reaction to your advocating genocide, very mild. America is the world's greatest arms dealer by far, sure. Of the 30 million people conservatively estimated to have died since 1950 in wars according to the Polynational War Memorial, 1.2 million were 'battle deaths'. Although as 2.5 million died in the Korean War and 3.5 in Vietnam, that's out by at least a factor 5 for all deaths. As an individual nation it probably has been involved in more war deaths beyond its borders than any other. But even on a bad day, it has only been involved in 20% of BOTG deaths. Any other master would have been far worse. China managed to kill 30,000,000 +/- 15 of it's own people in just 4 of those years. In the Congo up to 15,000,000 died since 1950. Up to 60,000,000 killed internally in just two countries, and not by the US. If America fails, you die. We all die. If Israel fails, it will, as Menachem Begin said in 1978, pull down the temple of humanity.
It is a nice effort on your part. Still, the world knows what the American empire is about, and they are sick of its endless war-making, its murderous regime changes of democratically elected governments. If it were an individual we were speaking of, he would be labeled a violent psychopath. America is presently an agent of genocide in Palestine and Gaza, and has long sold its sovereignty to world Zionism. Wonder how much the soul of America costs? For America, the dream of world domination is over, and with its fall goes Israel. The age of colonialism is over, and Israel and America want to hope the world at large has forgiveness within its heart. I am a Canadian and ashamed of my government's support of the Israeli and American genocide. Israel and the American house of Israel have told the world and the world court to kiss their asses, big mistake. Every empire falls, and America is falling. Look at your cities and the overwhelming homelessness that is a revolutionary pot boiling over. The world has taken its rabies shots, and it is no longer afraid to challenge the vicious master. Your media will tell you different. You need to find sources that are not corporate news/government news agencies, you need to hear the voice of the world at large.
What on earth is 'world Zionism'?? You still haven't posted your proof (or any evidence at all) that Israel controls the US govt. Give me a break with your 'genocide' lies and phony empathy. It's pretty obvious you don't give a shit about what was done to those people on Oct 7-- in fact you welcomed it. I don't think you've ever mention it once. Cultish psychopaths don't 'feel', they spew ideological rhetoric.
You and pisspot: both Jew-hating PsOS, the only difference being that your facade is slightly more insidious.
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No answer because the nazi doesn't have one. No surprises there.
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accelafine wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 3:41 am No answer because the nazi doesn't have one. No surprises there.
You've been on my ignore list for ages, simply because being rude is your norm. That's how aware you are, ignored for ages.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 7:13 am
accelafine wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 3:41 am No answer because the nazi doesn't have one. No surprises there.
You've been on my ignore list for ages, simply because being rude is your norm. That's how aware you are, ignored for ages.
Sure that's why :roll: Nothing to do with the fact that you have nothing to back up your bs.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 9:23 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 7:18 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 6:45 pm

The status quo for the West is colonialism/aggression, the desire for world domination. The old colonies of the East will no longer be subjugated; they are not as weak as in the past. With the status quo, we are in constant danger of nuclear war.
Erm, where is the West doing that? With BOTG? The British Army destroyed itself in Iraq & Afghanistan. America very wisely abandoned the latter after 20 wasted years. Keeps its hand in in and around Iraq.
Yes, well, it does not sound like we are going to have a rewarding dialogue. What do you make of America's endless wars? What purpose do they serve other than feeding the industrial military complex? What do you think brought on the Ukraine crisis? Do you know any of its history? If you are an American, you seem uninformed about the country's history and behaviours in the here and now. So, America wants everyone to be free and happy, is that it?
Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.
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