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Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:05 pm I sometimes wonder if anyone with a satisfactory, well balanced life would come to a place like this and do what we do; there is probably something a bit odd about all of us. :?
Maybe you're right. Most people I see on here seem to post relatively frequently and regularly, at least for whatever stretches of time until they disappear, sometimes returning a while later. Probably most "well-balanced" people are out more--doing productive things, work, hobbies, or social things, travel, activities, events, or self-care, exercise, study, meditation, etc.

And then there are those like me who do little if anything other than fiddle around on the computer mostly when I'm out of work. I guess in the end, I'm just superfluous to the universe. And if anyone is most superfluous to the universe, then maybe it's me. But to be honest, if there's something that needs to be done and that I can do or that I should be doing any more than anything else, then I don't know what it is or how to do it. But I'm sure AJ has no shortage of things he could suggest to me, if for no other reason than sparing me from his ridicule. :oops:

I guess he's right though. I've gotten to the point where nothing will move me or make me budge. I've built my last fortress and now I can only stand on it and hope someone else stronger doesn't come along and take it from me before I have a chance to pass from this world in a more peaceful way. Or maybe if I want to take away the "combat" part, I've settled in my death bed (little more than the nest I was born in) and now simply wait for whatever happens to happen when it happens. Maybe I should have been like the little pig who constructed his house out of brick instead of straw? Now I know how St. Thomas Aquinas must have felt when he had that last revelation of his. :(

Retreat becomes a bad habit when one spends most of one's life surrounded by what one perceives as 'evil'. But maybe that just means I'm 'evil'? Perhaps If I throw myself into a volcano that would solve the "problem of evil?" :|

Maybe the Mafia aren't such bad people after all, at least not much worse than many other seemingly ordinary "law-abiding" citizens?

Perhaps Bette Midler will write a song about me too? For what good reason or result could be derived from such a song, I will never be able to fathom.
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Now where to?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:04 pmMost people are fairly unaware of nanotech, secular and religious both. But there is evidence that religions people are less supportive of money being spent on research in it.
Can you share a link or two on this topic? I know nothing. Nanotechnology I mean.
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Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:05 pmI assumed you just wanted to vent your feelings, and used the forum as an outlet for them.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:45 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:04 pmMost people are fairly unaware of nanotech, secular and religious both. But there is evidence that religions people are less supportive of money being spent on research in it.
Can you share a link or two on this topic? I know nothing. Nanotechnology I mean.
What do you need to know about nanotech? Do you plan on building a lab or do you want to publish something in a philosophical quarterly on it (for example)? Otherwise, you could probably just google some links yourself if you plug in the terms you're interested in. Probably Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, or some other layman's popular science source might give you the basics that would satisfy idle curiosity.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:36 pm I guess in the end, I'm just superfluous to the universe. And if anyone is most superfluous to the universe, then maybe it's me.
The greatest geniuses who ever lived are dispensable to the universe, not to mention the planet itself, which has no requirement for humans living on it. Superfluous is the wrong word; there is nothing superfluous in the universe per se, only dispensable. All life in the universe begins and ends in Zero as far as its importance is concerned, without going negative in terms of superfluous. Life on this planet as any other is simply an event in time having no other meaning than that which it gives itself; an objectivity which has no objective in a universe which provides absolutely none.
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A follow-up on the Hungarian Goulash! We did make it today. It is a beef stew of course with 2 twists: one being lots of paprika. And 2 caraway seeds as the strongest spice note. It is supposed to be a soup though so don’t thicken it with flour. The color is gorgeously red due to the paprika, the tomato paste and the red peppers (to a small degree). We make all our soup stocks from scratch but ran out of beef stock. I used a vegetable stock concentrate because its what we had.

I thought goulash was a thick, non-distinct agglomeration of mushiness, but no! It is a rooty beef stew but more a soup colored with paprika and with lovely caraway tones.
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Dubious wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:02 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:36 pm I guess in the end, I'm just superfluous to the universe. And if anyone is most superfluous to the universe, then maybe it's me.
The greatest geniuses who ever lived are dispensable to the universe, not to mention the planet itself, which has no requirement for humans living on it. Superfluous is the wrong word; there is nothing superfluous in the universe per se, only dispensable. All life in the universe begins and ends in Zero as far as its importance is concerned, without going negative in terms of superfluous. Life on this planet as any other is simply an event in time having no other meaning than that which it gives itself...being extremely temporary regardless of how long it lasts.
Whew! Get back prostrate and whack that thing! Like there’s no tomorrow!
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Dubious wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:02 am All life in the universe begins and ends in Zero as far as its importance is concerned, without going negative in terms of superfluous. All life in the universe begins and ends in Zero as far as its importance is concerned, without going negative in terms of superfluous.
To have this perspective, to declare it, seems true from material science perspective. But not from perspectives of ‘higher metaphysics’.

Yours seems the truer assertion — and yet it really isn’t.

If everything is disposable, anything is in truth superfluous.

Gary: best to resist for a few days if possible (rub cayenne oil on your hands when you feel resolved) and stay away from knotted ropes! till the issue is finally adjudicated.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:24 am Gary: best to resist for a few days if possible (rub cayenne oil on your hands when you feel resolved) and stay away from knotted ropes! till the issue is finally adjudicated.
OK.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:45 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:04 pmMost people are fairly unaware of nanotech, secular and religious both. But there is evidence that religions people are less supportive of money being spent on research in it.
Can you share a link or two on this topic? I know nothing. Nanotechnology I mean.
The Wikipedia entry is a good summary...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

Basically, the dangers of nanotech is that our bodies have not evolved to defend us from them. They pass through barriers that work quite well with bacteria viruses parasites and the kinds of toxins that arise in nature. It's a bit like the native americans encountering european diseases, in the sense that our bodies do not have defenses. Unlike diseases they tend not to cause immediate cascading effects like in an epidemic. They can be carcinogenic. They can get into the brain. We're sort of playing Russian Roulette with a new technology that has little oversight.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:06 pm
:?: What my post directly above your reply?
No, Gary, the message was not in response to anything you had said. The link I posted was addressed to the idea there is a 'someone' who believes there is an almighty creator called God of the universe. It wasn't posted to anyone posting here in particular.

It was just a broad sweeping statement, but I could be wrong, and I quite happily own the idea that I could be wrong. But in my own direct experience, I surmise that an almighty loving 'creator' called god is an impossibility. I started this thread to discuss the very popular assumed idea that there is a 'creator' of the universe, by expressing my own personal view about that idea.
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Dubious wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:02 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:36 pm I guess in the end, I'm just superfluous to the universe. And if anyone is most superfluous to the universe, then maybe it's me.
The greatest geniuses who ever lived are dispensable to the universe, not to mention the planet itself, which has no requirement for humans living on it. Superfluous is the wrong word; there is nothing superfluous in the universe per se, only dispensable. All life in the universe begins and ends in Zero as far as its importance is concerned, without going negative in terms of superfluous. Life on this planet as any other is simply an event in time having no other meaning than that which it gives itself; an objectivity which has no objective in a universe which provides absolutely none.
Yes, and that's been known for eons.

Over 2,000 years ago, the Roman poet Titus Lucretius Carus (c. 99 BC- c. 55 BC) declared in verse that the universe was made of an infinite number of atoms.


Atoms make up everything. Everything is basically made of the space in which it occupies. Atoms never touch for the simple reason that they don't have hard boundaries. Everything is empty fullness.

If God is anything at all, God is an Atom, or an Atom is God. https://doctorpaul.org/2021/10/24/god-a ... d-in-atom/

There are infinite labels for the same one substance. Everything emanates from the Number 1
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:52 am

But in my own direct experience, I surmise that an almighty loving 'creator' called god is an impossibility. I started this thread to discuss the very popular assumed idea that there is a 'creator' of the universe, by expressing my own personal view about that idea.
I've had numerous experiences throughout my life of there being no God, so I know. :wink:
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Harbal wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:17 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:52 am

But in my own direct experience, I surmise that an almighty loving 'creator' called god is an impossibility. I started this thread to discuss the very popular assumed idea that there is a 'creator' of the universe, by expressing my own personal view about that idea.
I've had numerous experiences throughout my life of there being no God, so I know. :wink:
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