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Dubious wrote:Wisdom is an ongoing project not a finished product. It's compass moves as the mind moves.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:40 am No. wisdom always was. It is a finished product that an be remembered by a person with the humility to be a conscious ongoing project.

Really! So how did it get manufactured if it always was since we weren't always around; who or what would it have applied to? It sounds silly to call the universe wise or even existence itself; it just IS.

French philosopher René Descartes wrote in the preface for his Principles of Philosophy:
“It is really only God alone who has Perfect Wisdom, that is to say, who has a complete knowledge of the truth of all things; but it may be said that men have more wisdom or less according as they have more or less knowledge of the most important truths.”

Human beings become wise, Descartes suggested, as they begin to approach the truths known only by God. But in Christian mysticism, there is another figure who lays out a path to wisdom.
Her name is Sophia.
“Sophia” in ancient Greek translates to “wisdom,” and from this we derive the words “philosophy” and “sophisticated.” The Hebrew the word for wisdom, חָכְמָה or chokmah, is also a feminine noun.
Religion scholar and author of The Gnostic Gospels Elaine Pagels spoke with HuffPost about Sophia and the significance of a personified wisdom. “In the Book of Proverbs, wisdom as a feminine being,” Pagels said. “She is God’s partner, or darling, his delight. The idea is that wisdom is a personified feminine being who is with God and helps him out.”…………………

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:14 pm Some are open to pondering what is meant and what wisdom actually is and some like you and Greta are only capable of complaining and attacking.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:10 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:14 pm Some are open to pondering what is meant and what wisdom actually is and some like you and Greta are only capable of complaining and attacking.

You make yourself vulnerable by being the loathsome false prophet you truly are, a thoroughly disgusting deceiver in every way who knows nothing of what he preaches. Nevertheless, as the saying goes, you are entitled to your OWN opinions just not to your OWN facts.

But to keep your enlightenment simplified and immune to counter intelligence, all of your opinions are expressed as facts while everyone else's facts are mere opinions. Your foreshortened path to wisdom consists only of you being right - the "enlightened guru" in the group - while everyone who opposes or questions is simply "not receptive", the perennial bottom line in all of your false argumentations.

Among the rest of your miserable failures is that you can't tell the difference between the two and avoid any questions which make those differences palpable; instead, not knowing how else to respond, you belittle them like any snake oil charmer because that's the best you can do. Lies and intentional ignorance are the mortals enemies of both wisdom and enlightenment; unfortunately for anyone who communicates with you, you've proven yourself to be on the negative side of the latter.

You are about as closed and small-minded as people get; a perfect example of false reasoning and of how not to think; or put another way....just because the snot up one's nose lies in close proximity to the brain doesn't mean the two are interchangeable...though, in your case, I wouldn't know which is the better option.

"A wise man, recognizing that the world is but an illusion, does not act as if it is real, so he escapes the suffering". ~ Buddha

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." ~ Socrates

"The doorstep to the temple of wisdom is a knowledge of our own ignorance." ~ Benjamin Franklin

"Wisdom comes by disillusionment." ~ George Santayana

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:14 pmSome are open to pondering what is meant and what wisdom actually is and some like you and Greta are only capable of complaining and attacking.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:24 pm As of now all you do is complain and condemn. Hopefully some day you will experience disillusionment and be drawn to impartial contemplation. Then you will experience your ignorance and won't need to complain and condemn. The transition from disillusionment into the experiential recognition of the human condition can be a very rewarding experience. I know it to be true.

.............Serena's opponent, Samantha Stosur, surprised us all with her mental and physical toughness. Stosur swiftly claimed the first set, 6-2 , before the fireworks started to fly. Williams is a tough competitor and, staring down a break point in the first game of the second set, she hit a smoking winner across court. But before the point was over, she enthusiastically cried out, "Come on!" A champion must have fire in the belly but, as it turns out, Serena had expressed her exuberance too soon, before the point was over and Stosur got her racket on the ball. The chair umpire called Serena's shout-out a "hindrance" to the play and gave the point to Samantha. A by-the-book call, but one which flipped Serena's switch.

Fire in the belly became a torrent of attack and paranoia. Serena made an innocent mistake which she couldn't admit. She was losing the match which she couldn't bear. She took it all out on the chair umpire. An easy target.

Serena called the chair umpire a "loser" and a "hater." She said that she wasn't a "nice person" and was "unattractive inside." She accused her of being out to get her. It was ugly. While I could understand where Serena's tirade was coming from, I just wanted to say, "Take a look in the mirror, sister. Three fingers are pointing back to you."

We all know what it's like to get caught up in the heat of the moment. When we cannot bear to see something painful in ourselves, we want to get rid of it. We want to relocate the ugliness we feel about ourselves and put it into someone else. We say those bad feelings do not apply to us; they apply to someone else.

The fancy psychoanalytic term for this unconscious process is projective identification. We get rid of the unwanted feelings (projection) and identify them as belonging to someone else (identification). I call it the shame relocation plan.

It is no surprise that the very labels that Serena placed on the umpire were aspects of herself that she couldn't face just then. She was losing. She was hating. She wasn't feeling very nice or attractive. She didn't want to look at herself. Those are some intense feelings to bear..................

Matthew 7:3-5 New International Version (NIV)

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye..

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:49 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:24 pm As of now all you do is complain and condemn. Hopefully some day you will experience disillusionment and be drawn to impartial contemplation. Then you will experience your ignorance and won't need to complain and condemn. The transition from disillusionment into the experiential recognition of the human condition can be a very rewarding experience. I know it to be true.

Spoken like any would be guru who thinks he knows while knowing nothing. Types like you have always existed. It's how you make yourself special on the cheap by borrowing constantly from others as if you were one of the Cardinals in their inner sanctum.

Perhaps one day you will realize how pathetic you are and it won't be a rewarding experience. Knowing also implies identifying those who only pretend to know.

You need to explain why you do not believe each of these are not a problem - one by one - not as a group. Otherwise you are complicit, part of the problem:

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:22 am Greta

You need to explain why you do not believe each of these are not a problem - one by one - not as a group. Otherwise you are complicit, part of the problem:

Missing the point. It is you who must explain why you express the dominant quality of denial which compels you to create scapegoats. You, me, and Trump will all pass away but the human condition remains. Why do you support it with such passion by creating the scapegoat of Trump?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:16 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:49 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:24 pm As of now all you do is complain and condemn. Hopefully some day you will experience disillusionment and be drawn to impartial contemplation. Then you will experience your ignorance and won't need to complain and condemn. The transition from disillusionment into the experiential recognition of the human condition can be a very rewarding experience. I know it to be true.

Spoken like any would be guru who thinks he knows while knowing nothing. Types like you have always existed. It's how you make yourself special on the cheap by borrowing constantly from others as if you were one of the Cardinals in their inner sanctum.

Perhaps one day you will realize how pathetic you are and it won't be a rewarding experience. Knowing also implies identifying those who only pretend to know.

You are just another spirit killer with a hatred of ideas which nourish both the inner man and society itself. Of course I've been moved by the great ideas introduced into the world by those far greater than me. Philosophy offers a means to either share on them or experience how and why they must be condemned. You've helped me to understand the emotional rigidity forcing so many to hate and condemn them.

Greta wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:31 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:22 am Greta

You need to explain why you do not believe each of these are not a problem - one by one - not as a group. Otherwise you are complicit, part of the problem:

Missing the point. It is you who must explain why you express the dominant quality of denial which compels you to create scapegoats. You, me, and Trump will all pass away but the human condition remains. Why do you support it with such passion by creating the scapegoat of Trump?

Because we are at a sensitive tipping point. Actions done or undone at this stage will have amplified effects.

I am thus passionate about not destroying the environment and other creatures at a faster rate than is necessary. I am passionate about not being arrogantly wasteful with the natural environment. Thus I am passionately anti-Trump as a leader.

Mostly, YOU need to justify why you would support such a politician. Your ethics are otherwise in question, if they weren't already.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:21 pm The religious mind accepts that it is the "wretched man as described by St. Paul. Accepting the human condition is the first step to transcending it. The progressive mind in contrast must blame something or someone else. The success of the progressive agenda requires a scapegoat to blame. The scapegoat now is Donald Trump

scape·goat
ˈskāpˌɡōt/Submit
noun
1.
a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.
synonyms: whipping boy; More
2.
(in the Bible) a goat sent into the wilderness after the Jewish chief priest had symbolically laid the sins of the people upon it (Lev. 16).
verb
1.
make a scapegoat of.

The progressive mind could never come to realize the deep meaning in the following quotation:

“We have met the enemy and he is us”

What an insult! It is absurd to think that the progressive mind is part of the enemy. The enemy is the scapegoat for the progressives and presently it is Donald Trump. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the educated progressive mind - the only one capable of defining and condemning the scapegoat

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:13 pm But again, I am not a progressive.