There's nothing new about this stuff. Back in the 90s, a lot of people just like Walker, IC, Imp and Henry today used to believe that the United Nations had built prison camps in America and they were filling them up with gun-toting freedom loving second amendment types on behalf of something a bit Jewy called the New World Order (something to do with a Bush sr speech about the end of the cold war iirc). Then they all forgot about that and now the NWO is the WEF. At least one of those people I named there will have believed that prison camps story at the time, just like Timothy McVeigh did.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:15 pmIt's difficult to argue with that. IC is still railing against "socialism" as the only true evil in this world. Henry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of). I don't know what to say. I tried. I gave it a college try. I can't reason with IC, he's stuck, he's never going to change.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pmThe Trump campaign launched about 80 law suits after the election making claims of all sorts of fraud, with no evidence. some of their lawyers made presentations to the courts so feeble that they are still in the process of losing their law licenses for it. The process of counting the votes is overseen by representatives of both parties and many neutral third parties. It's tranpsarent, highly regulated, and enormous effort goes into uncovering actual fraud. Your elections are among the best in the world and they are audited to keep it that way.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:04 pm
In a sense, (perhaps) it is unfortunate then that mail-in ballots were tabulated that way. To the untrained and uninformed eye, it appears as a sudden "magical" dump of votes that won the election. Either the untrained and uniformed eye needs to trust the election process or else the officials running the election would need to provide some way of verifying there is no 'funny business' going on. And if the officials aren't trusted, then how are the officials going to provide sufficient proof verifying there is no 'funny business' going on?
Right now, we are (possibly) in the biggest crisis a democracy can face.
1. Are there powers in our society capable of successfully "rigging" an election?
2. If not, then all is fine.
3. If so, then the next question becomes: Did those powers exercise that power to "rig" the election or did they not?
You have been on this site for years, enough time to see the American far-right in action over and over again. You've seen Walker, Henry, IC, Impenitent and latterly GrandWizzzard22 in action, but it seems you haven't paid any attention.
They don't care if the current conspiracy theory they are wielding is bullshit, they will have a new one tomorrow and another new one the day after that. They had the ten thousand dead voters thing, which was bullshit, just a list of dead people who had names similar to living ones who voted. But Henry and Walker never admitted that was a lie, they moved onto the next lie before having to find out. They had the suitcases full of fake votes - Rudy G has admitted in court filings already that one was a lie and he's going to lose everything he owns for it. Then they moved on to believing in Italian satellites interfering with the votes, and accepted as evidence the say so of a time traveller. A FUCKING TIME TRAVELLER!!!!!!! Why are we pretending to take this shit seriously?
They don't want to believe that their hero lost an election, so they believe absolutely anything else. Even.... and I'm not sure if I mentioned this already .... FUCKING TIME TRAVELLERS. They are pros at believing things that their allies believe no matter how stupid just to belong.
What is the point in compromising with them? Why rearrange the entire universe to suit somebody who will still assume everything is a lie if they aren't getting their way? Grandwizzard22 is going to believe that a coalition of jews robbed him of victory because that is what he has come to believe every time he is inconvenienced. It will never change, he will never improve. Neither will Immanuel Can or Henry Q. They are all lost souls now, none of them can come back from the conspiratorial gloom they inhabit.
But what do we do? They are part of the living world also? They can't be stopped from saying what they say without violating their rights to have an opinion (whether it's supported by verifiable evidence or not). And if it isn't there are plenty of web site owners who will find evidence for them to use.
Will Democracy and free speech be a failure? Will they be the death of humanity? Tell me that is NOT true. Please...
But none of them would remember being into that old version of that conspiracy theory now because they are sharks, and they move or die. Anyway, there were plenty of other conspiracy theories about HAARP and stuff as well, so there's usually great diversity in the conspiratorial theorising community.
The only thing that's unusual right now is that they have formed a giant cult of personality and all the crazy conspiracy madmen are sharing the same delusions for a while. All the different conspiracy nutters have this one cheese haired captain to look to for guidance. But they've built this edifice of misplaced faith around an obese geriatric narcissist with a prescription drug abuse problem and arteries made of cake who may just live long enough to die in prison.
Once Trump dies, this weird coalition of crazy fucknuts can't survive, there's no plausible inheritor. It will go back to business as usual with the vast majority of the maga behatted nutters switching back to tinfoil caps and going apolitical again. Marjorie fetal alcohol syndrome face isn't going to be annointed when Trump skids off this mortal coil, and Desantis already stinks of death. There isn't anyone to put the lightning back into the bottle, so it will all end.
Fuck knows what state they'll leave the GOP in though, that thing's probably done for. But democracy is definitely going to outlive Trump and Biden, and all their vile children too.
