Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:04 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:55 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:27 pm
Those two graphs seem to indicate a sudden spike at the end of the election in favor of Democrats. Is that a correct interpretation of them? And are we reasonably sure those graphs are accurate?
They show exactly the outcome to be expected if Trump voters skew heavily towards same day voting and anti-Trump voters skew heavily towards mail in voting, if, as is the usual practice, same day votes are tabulated first and then mail in votes are counted afterwards. Everyone knew well in advance that this exact pattern would present itself for this obvious reason.
In a sense, (perhaps) it is unfortunate then that mail-in ballots were tabulated that way. To the untrained and uninformed eye, it appears as a sudden "magical" dump of votes that won the election. Either the untrained and uniformed eye needs to trust the election process or else the officials running the election would need to provide some way of verifying there is no 'funny business' going on. And if the officials aren't trusted, then how are the officials going to provide sufficient proof verifying there is no 'funny business' going on?
Right now, we are (possibly) in the biggest crisis a democracy can face.
1. Are there powers in our society capable of successfully "rigging" an election?
2. If not, then all is fine.
3. If so, then the next question becomes: Did those powers exercise that power to "rig" the election or did they not?
The Trump campaign launched about 80 law suits after the election making claims of all sorts of fraud, with no evidence. some of their lawyers made presentations to the courts so feeble that they are still in the process of losing their law licenses for it. The process of counting the votes is overseen by representatives of both parties and many neutral third parties. It's tranpsarent, highly regulated, and enormous effort goes into uncovering actual fraud. Your elections are among the best in the world and they are audited to keep it that way.
You have been on this site for years, enough time to see the American far-right in action over and over again. You've seen Walker, Henry, IC, Impenitent and latterly GrandWizzzard22 in action, but it seems you haven't paid any attention.
They don't care if the current conspiracy theory they are wielding is bullshit, they will have a new one tomorrow and another new one the day after that. They had the ten thousand dead voters thing, which was bullshit, just a list of dead people who had names similar to living ones who voted. But Henry and Walker never admitted that was a lie, they moved onto the next lie before having to find out. They had the suitcases full of fake votes - Rudy G has admitted in court filings already that one was a lie and he's going to lose everything he owns for it. Then they moved on to believing in Italian satellites interfering with the votes, and accepted as evidence the say so of a time traveller. A FUCKING TIME TRAVELLER!!!!!!! Why are we pretending to take this shit seriously?
They don't want to believe that their hero lost an election, so they believe absolutely anything else. Even.... and I'm not sure if I mentioned this already .... FUCKING TIME TRAVELLERS. They are pros at believing things that their allies believe no matter how stupid just to belong.
What is the point in compromising with them? Why rearrange the entire universe to suit somebody who will still assume everything is a lie if they aren't getting their way? Grandwizzard22 is going to believe that a coalition of jews robbed him of victory because that is what he has come to believe every time he is inconvenienced. It will never change, he will never improve. Neither will Immanuel Can or Henry Q. They are all lost souls now, none of them can come back from the conspiratorial gloom they inhabit.
