Christianity

[Immanuel Can]

If only it were so! The upward trajectory continues of extreme right wing "might is right" .

If "might" is the strategy of "the extreme right wing," then how come the only people shooting and stabbing people, and the only ones burning down neighbourhoods and sacking shops, and the ones attacking the police stations and spewing the rhetoric of assassination, or barging into the schools and murdering children...are Lefties?

You must read newspapers, or watch media, if only conventional media...but that's all it would take for you to know it's true.

[Age]

If only it were so! The upward trajectory continues of extreme right wing "might is right" .

If "might" is the strategy of "the extreme right wing," then how come the only people shooting and stabbing people, and the only ones burning down neighbourhoods and sacking shops, and the ones attacking the police stations and spewing the rhetoric of assassination, or barging into the schools and murdering children...are Lefties?

Wow, could one become more narrowed?

You must read newspapers, or watch media, if only conventional media...but that's all it would take for you to know it's true.

Lol 'know it's true'.

'This one' has, once again, just shown and proved how absolutely closed some people can become.

'These people' can not fathom that people react in different ways when oppressors, perpetrators, and abusers are doing what they do

[seeds]

Are you suggesting that just because some random dude on YouTube did some research and pointed out something shady going on behind the scenes of Wiki's uploading and editing procedures, means that the information in Wiki's estimated 7 million (English) articles is nothing more than distortions or flat-out lies that serve the agenda of who? - lefties? Or perhaps some mysterious cabal of wealthy elites?

You used Wiki to pull up prejudiced outlook on Torba.

Nonsense!

You quoted Andrew Torba and I simply Googled his name because I had never heard of him, and thus the Wiki article regarding his founding of "Gab" was one of the first things that popped up. To which you then (straight out of the hypocrite's handbook) proceeded to cast aspersions on the reliability of any information uploaded to Wiki even though you yourself had recently used Wiki to support a point you were making to Belinda.

Man, I get so tired of hearing the words coming from the likes of the Andrew Torbas and the Charlie Kirks of the world who are completely oblivious of their own blind and ignorant hypocrisy.

The following is an excerpt from a speech that Andrew Torba gave at the “America First Political Action Conference” (AFPAC) - which is an annual white nationalist and far-right political gathering (emphasis mine):

“...Jesus did not command us to sit around getting crushed by Satan, waiting to die. He commanded us to make disciples of all nations, and we need to take dominion in his name. His kingdom may be in heaven, but he himself told us in Mathew 28:18 that he has all authority on Earth as well.

You know what, it's time to start acting like it.

So often we are called hateful by people who hate our lord and savior. So, to them I say yes I am hateful – I hate sin, I hate evil, I hate Satan, and I hate the Antichrist!...”

Yet,...

(and here comes the blind and ignorant hypocrisy part)

...Andrew Torba is a "fervent" supporter of a person who may very well be the freakin’ Antichrist in the flesh (or, at the very least, a person who represents the very antithesis of what Christ allegedly preached).

Indeed, according to Google’s AI Mode (emphasis mine):

Andrew Torba is a supporter of Donald Trump and launched the social media platform Gab in 2016 in response to what he saw as "censorship" of conservative and pro-Trump ideas on mainstream social media. His support for Trump's political movement has been widely reported since the platform's founding.

Key facts about Torba's support for Trump:

• A "fervent" Trump supporter: A lawsuit filed against Gab in 2018 described Torba as a "fervent" supporter of Trump, and he was reportedly banned from the startup incubator Y Combinator over his pro-Trump behavior on Facebook.
  
  Welcomed Trump supporters to Gab: In the wake of Trump's ban from Twitter in January 2021, Torba issued a statement saying he was connecting with Trump's team and that the former president's Gab account was reserved. He framed the moment as one Gab had been preparing for, attracting a swell of Trump backers to the platform.
  
  Promoted misinformation about the 2020 election: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) reports that Torba has frequently posted content supporting the January 6, 2021, insurrection and promoted the false claim that the 2020 election was rigged.

Yeah, yeah, I know, Torba may only be a Trump supporter because he (like many other white Christian nationalists) believes that it’s okay to support Trump because the “Lord” may simply be using Trump to restore America to its former segregated glory.

We're talking about a glorious time in which the roles and status of black, brown, red, and yellow races (and let's not forget women) were clearly delineated as being lesser than (and subordinate to) white (Christian) males.

However, the problem is that the blind and hateful ignorance of these so-called "Christians," won't allow them to entertain a more likely scenario that the “Lord is using Trump” to usher-in the “necrotizing karma” that America has been accruing and is destined to reap from the process of sowing death and destruction across the planet through its greedy, imperialistic outreach over the last seven or so decades.

Now I have no doubt that your heart is in the right place, Alexis, in that you are only suggesting ways that you personally believe will help to ameliorate the internal problems that many nations (especially England and America) are currently experiencing.

However, only a fool would believe that humans partitioning themselves off from one another...

(i.e., drawing the wagons into defensive circles based on race, nationality, ethnicity, religion, political ideology, etc., etc.)

...is the solution.

Indeed, that’s what has gotten us into this mess to begin with in that our historically partitioned tribes, along with their incompatible belief systems, are now butting heads in this new global setting.

You mockingly accused me of offering “...hippy-dippy...” solutions in the form of “...ridiculous misplaced idealism...”

However, I strongly suggest that a new unifying vision of reality (a new “material/spiritual paradigm”) is precisely what the world needs.

For even though the new idealistic vision of reality that I have been promoting may be unprovable, it can at least...

(just like the Platonic ideals are symbols of perfection)

...function as a kind of “North Star” that everyone on the ground can use to guide them in the right direction.

And the “right direction” is one that points to the irrefutable fact that our souls are all identical to one another, not only in form, but in eternal purpose,...

...and that if these white Christian nationalist rabble rousers are too dumb to understand that we need to find a way to work together for the good and prosperity of all humans on Earth,...

…then it is their low conscious bigotry and hypocrisy that will forever continue to foment this problem we are currently faced with.
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[Belinda]

Are you suggesting that just because some random dude on YouTube did some research and pointed out something shady going on behind the scenes of Wiki's uploading and editing procedures, means that the information in Wiki's estimated 7 million (English) articles is nothing more than distortions or flat-out lies that serve the agenda of who? - lefties? Or perhaps some mysterious cabal of wealthy elites?

You used Wiki to pull up prejudiced outlook on Torba.

Nonsense!

You quoted Andrew Torba and I simply Googled his name because I had never heard of him, and thus the Wiki article regarding his founding of "Gab" was one of the first things that popped up. To which you then (straight out of the hypocrite's handbook) proceeded to cast aspersions on the reliability of any information uploaded to Wiki even though you yourself had recently used Wiki to support a point you were making to Belinda.

Man, I get so tired of hearing the words coming from the likes of the Andrew Torbas and the Charlie Kirks of the world who are completely oblivious of their own blind and ignorant hypocrisy.

The following is an excerpt from a speech that Andrew Torba gave at the “America First Political Action Conference” (AFPAC) - which is an annual white nationalist and far-right political gathering (emphasis mine):

“...Jesus did not command us to sit around getting crushed by Satan, waiting to die. He commanded us to make disciples of all nations, and we need to take dominion in his name. His kingdom may be in heaven, but he himself told us in Mathew 28:18 that he has all authority on Earth as well.

You know what, it's time to start acting like it.

So often we are called hateful by people who hate our lord and savior. So, to them I say yes I am hateful – I hate sin, I hate evil, I hate Satan, and I hate the Antichrist!...”

Yet,...

(and here comes the blind and ignorant hypocrisy part)

...Andrew Torba is a "fervent" supporter of a person who may very well be the freakin’ Antichrist in the flesh (or, at the very least, a person who represents the very antithesis of what Christ allegedly preached).

Indeed, according to Google’s AI Mode (emphasis mine):

Andrew Torba is a supporter of Donald Trump and launched the social media platform Gab in 2016 in response to what he saw as "censorship" of conservative and pro-Trump ideas on mainstream social media. His support for Trump's political movement has been widely reported since the platform's founding.

Key facts about Torba's support for Trump:

• A "fervent" Trump supporter: A lawsuit filed against Gab in 2018 described Torba as a "fervent" supporter of Trump, and he was reportedly banned from the startup incubator Y Combinator over his pro-Trump behavior on Facebook.
  
  Welcomed Trump supporters to Gab: In the wake of Trump's ban from Twitter in January 2021, Torba issued a statement saying he was connecting with Trump's team and that the former president's Gab account was reserved. He framed the moment as one Gab had been preparing for, attracting a swell of Trump backers to the platform.
  
  Promoted misinformation about the 2020 election: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) reports that Torba has frequently posted content supporting the January 6, 2021, insurrection and promoted the false claim that the 2020 election was rigged.

Yeah, yeah, I know, Torba may only be a Trump supporter because he (like many other white Christian nationalists) believes that it’s okay to support Trump because the “Lord” may simply be using Trump to restore America to its former segregated glory.

We're talking about a glorious time in which the roles and status of black, brown, red, and yellow races (and let's not forget women) were clearly delineated as being lesser than (and subordinate to) white (Christian) males.

However, the problem is that the blind and hateful ignorance of these so-called "Christians," won't allow them to entertain a more likely scenario that the “Lord is using Trump” to usher-in the “necrotizing karma” that America has been accruing and is destined to reap from the process of sowing death and destruction across the planet through its greedy, imperialistic outreach over the last seven or so decades.

Now I have no doubt that your heart is in the right place, Alexis, in that you are only suggesting ways that you personally believe will help to ameliorate the internal problems that many nations (especially England and America) are currently experiencing.

However, only a fool would believe that humans partitioning themselves off from one another...

(i.e., drawing the wagons into defensive circles based on race, nationality, ethnicity, religion, political ideology, etc., etc.)

...is the solution.

Indeed, that’s what has gotten us into this mess to begin with in that our historically partitioned tribes, along with their incompatible belief systems, are now butting heads in this new global setting.

You mockingly accused me of offering “...hippy-dippy...” solutions in the form of “...ridiculous misplaced idealism...”

However, I strongly suggest that a new unifying vision of reality (a new “material/spiritual paradigm”) is precisely what the world needs.

For even though the new idealistic vision of reality that I have been promoting may be unprovable, it can at least...

(just like the Platonic ideals are symbols of perfection)

...function as a kind of “North Star” that everyone on the ground can use to guide them in the right direction.

And the “right direction” is one that points to the irrefutable fact that our souls are all identical to one another, not only in form, but in eternal purpose,...

...and that if these white Christian nationalist rabble rousers are too dumb to understand that we need to find a way to work together for the good and prosperity of all humans on Earth,...

…then it is their low conscious bigotry and hypocrisy that will forever continue to foment this problem we are currently faced with.
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I think I understand your ideas at last, Seeds. It seems I agreed with you all the time but did not know it.

[Belinda]

If only it were so! The upward trajectory continues of extreme right wing "might is right" .

If "might" is the strategy of "the extreme right wing," then how come the only people shooting and stabbing people, and the only ones burning down neighbourhoods and sacking shops, and the ones attacking the police stations and spewing the rhetoric of assassination, or barging into the schools and murdering children...are Lefties?

You must read newspapers, or watch media, if only conventional media...but that's all it would take for you to know it's true.

I don't know what you have been reading, but you have learned wrong statistics.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I have been going through old documents pertaining to my father’s side of our family kept in the attic of the family seat. I discovered that I am descended from a long line extending back to Poseidon himself.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You should edit your posts down, Mr Semillas. You could express all of it in 4 far shorter paragraphs.

It simply requires too much energy to correct or rather balance out your so many prejudiced statements.

You are convinced of your positions, right? I have no energy to challenge them.

However, if there is one in particular you want to focus on, post it. I’ll make the effort.

[Immanuel Can]

If only it were so! The upward trajectory continues of extreme right wing "might is right" .

If "might" is the strategy of "the extreme right wing," then how come the only people shooting and stabbing people, and the only ones burning down neighbourhoods and sacking shops, and the ones attacking the police stations and spewing the rhetoric of assassination, or barging into the schools and murdering children...are Lefties?

You must read newspapers, or watch media, if only conventional media...but that's all it would take for you to know it's true.

I don't know what you have been reading, but you have learned wrong statistics.

You know I'm right.

[seeds]

You should edit your posts down, Mr Semillas. You could express all of it in 4 far shorter paragraphs.

It simply requires too much energy to correct or rather balance out your so many prejudiced statements.

You are convinced of your positions, right? I have no energy to challenge them.

However, if there is one in particular you want to focus on, post it. I’ll make the effort.

That is a chicken response.

Is ^^^that^^^ short enough?

Btw, allow me to make a slight correction of one of your assertions...

"I have no e̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ plausible moral way to challenge them."

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[Alexis Jacobi]

Your issue, which you certainly do not see, is that you assume — erroneously — that you have the moral high ground. In relation to your various topics: I do not think you do.

You — my opinion of course — epitomize the political and social Left because this defect is do intensely marked in their assumed perspective.

No idea (such as they are)(they are more emotions) that you have expressed do I find sound. You distort everything you are examining.

Choose one topic and I’ll take a stab at it.

[Belinda]

Your issue, which you certainly do not see, is that you assume — erroneously — that you have the moral high ground. In relation to your various topics: I do not think you do.

You — my opinion of course — epitomize the political and social Left because this defect is do intensely marked in their assumed perspective.

No idea (such as they are)(they are more emotions) that you have expressed do I find sound. You distort everything you are examining.

Choose one topic and I’ll take a stab at it.

Does not everyone "take the moral high ground".
All political stances are characterised and defined by taking of the moral high ground.

"You distort everything you are examining. " is ad hominem generalisation.

As Seeds' ideological opponent your proper function is to rebut Seeds' arguments.

(You have gone all show -offy again. Semilla indeed! )

[Gary Childress]

Your issue, which you certainly do not see, is that you assume — erroneously — that you have the moral high ground. In relation to your various topics: I do not think you do.

It seems to me that Seeds generally occupies the moral high ground. It's difficult to argue with him, even when we want to believe that something clearly immoral is OK. That seems irrefutable to me. We know right from wrong, but we don't always want to see when we or the side we favor are wrong about something, so we try to fool ourselves and pretend that we don't see the wrong in something being done. But others reading the conversation will see this about us.

BTW: From what Seeds quoted, Andrew Torba sounds morally reprehensive. "Conservatives" are fighting for freedom of speech so that they are free to disparage minorities. However, when someone stands up for minorities, those same people fighting for "freedom of speech" for the majority will try to censor those standing up for minorities. That's blatantly obvious in the "conservative" movements on the right.

Your position seems to be that sticking up for minorities for no other reason than they are minorities is a misplaced sentiment, minorities might be minorities for good reason. And sticking up for them to the point where they become the moral majority is perhaps misguided in your view. This is betrayed by your advice to me once for me to go out and help the able to achieve their goals. But that position is equally flawed because helping someone for no other reason than they have an advantage and can make more out of their advantage than a minority can make out of a disadvantage is just as flawed as helping someone for no other reason than they are disadvantaged. We may be helping a monstrous person when we help people that we know nothing about. After all, isn't that what Hindenburg did when he conceded victory to Hitler. Hitler was a minority at the time. He became the majority and stuff happened under his watch that was probably not very good stuff to happen. Of course, maybe helping someone will make them see what is right and perhaps the once monstrous person will become less of a monster and help others too. That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that they will use their newly found advantage in order to get revenge on their enemies, just like Trump is doing.

The world is a mess. None of us have crystal balls and as much bad seems to happen as good. Therefore, I believe it's a mistaken assumption to think that the creator of all that is in this world is benevolent toward anyone in particular who worships him and malicious toward others who are "evil". (If there is such a thing as a creator.)

[Gary Childress]

If there is a creator, then the creator's mind is a mystery to us all, even to his/her devout followers.

[Gary Childress]

If only it were so! The upward trajectory continues of extreme right wing "might is right" .

If "might" is the strategy of "the extreme right wing," then how come the only people shooting and stabbing people, and the only ones burning down neighbourhoods and sacking shops, and the ones attacking the police stations and spewing the rhetoric of assassination, or barging into the schools and murdering children...are Lefties?

The people burning things down and causing trouble are often the ones who are being shit on in society. The right ("conservatives") have done plenty of mayhem when it has been a minority also. Look at the January 6 event at the Capitol. We must not underestimate the people we favor. They can become monsters too if we empower them.

[Immanuel Can]

If only it were so! The upward trajectory continues of extreme right wing "might is right" .

If "might" is the strategy of "the extreme right wing," then how come the only people shooting and stabbing people, and the only ones burning down neighbourhoods and sacking shops, and the ones attacking the police stations and spewing the rhetoric of assassination, or barging into the schools and murdering children...are Lefties?

The people burning things down and causing trouble are often the ones who are being shit on in society.[/quopte]
Correct. But they're all Lefties, and rabid ones, too.

Look at the January 6 event at the Capitol.

Really? The undestructive wandering of a few loonies through the Capitol, with the permission of the security (who actually opened doors for them) and no injuries, at the invitation of the Dems (who deliberately refused to approve securing of the building) is to be compared with the Dem-approved riots in Detroit, Portland, Atlanta and various other cities? Or it's to offset the shooting of public officials and school children?

The old "well, the other side is bad too" only works when the frequency, seriousness and level is remotely comparable, and clearly, in this case, it isn't. It's the Left that's driving all the destruction and violence.