Philosophy Now Forum

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:26 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:09 pm Imagine being rich and thinking all along you were poor.

Imagine all along you thought you were poor, but were in fact rich.

Poor you, ye of little knowledge.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:32 pmPoor you, constantly talking down to other humans, while pretending you aren't.

The projection of talking down to people, never even crossed my mind to be honest, rather, those words were meant to be very lifting, as far as I was thinking at the time they were being written.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:32 pm Poor you, saying there is no knowledge but wanting to bestow knowledge all the time.

All I've said, is that knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Which is fairly accurate to be honest.

CONTRADICTION.

Either ALL words/knowledge can ONLY point to the illusory nature of reality, which, OBVIOUSLY, would include your ALL of your words/knowledge here also, OR, some words/knowledge point to what is ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLY True, Right, Accurate, or Correct.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:26 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:32 pm Poor you when it is pointed out you are angry - Screw Religion - answer like a lawyer....Screw can mean many things. Avoiding even responding to the point.

It's ok to be angry. I'm sometimes angry, but the emotion, so far has never killed me, so I just allow it to be there if that's what's arising in the moment. Emotions never define me, for example I would never dream of harming or killing another person, because I'm just not inclined or capable of such rage against nature, it would be against my nature.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:32 pmYou can evade and dance like this on the screen. But off there in real life, wherever you are, those things you are hiding and not saying, they come through clearly.

Well you seem to come across as someone who is certain about another persons unique and personal psychology and mental state just by the way they present their philosophy on the internet.

But in reality, in real life, I don't usually hide anything when it comes to my philosophical views, I tend to always say and never not say what I want to say on all things philosophical, and I'm actually quite nice and harmless as well, in real life, but you do not have to believe a single word I say, and I certainly would never dream of telling you to.

Knowledge is a human story, it's something we have invented out of the curiosity to know what we cannot know because without our story, we are nothing, and we do not care to be nothing. That's just my philosophy, there is no obligation on you or anyone to accept it.


''We have, as human beings, a storytelling problem. We're a bit too quick to come up with explanations for things we don't really have an explanation for.''

Which is EXACTLY what 'you', "dontaskme", are doing here.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:37 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:03 am That's all I'm discussing here with you. Who the heck is God?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:13 amConsider it the CPU operating at sub-atomic matter.

So all you are saying now, is that at the sub-atomic level of matter. POV instructions somewhere in time appears to itself in the form of a man called Jesus made of matter flesh and bone which is able to pass on information to other people as and through a process known as conceptual language known as words: ..that are interpreted by matter and understood to mean something along the lines of... ''Jesus told the criminal on the cross, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43)—not “You will have another chance to live a life on earth.” Matthew 25:46 tells us that, upon death, believers go on to eternal life while unbelievers go on to eternal punishment.''

Well, I'm still at Je_sus mode. I_sus God and haven't worket IT out yet. Much of the buy_bull is whipping people of that time into order as far as I can tell.


btw re Matthew 25:46...you are using an EVANGELIST tactic...it is not non-believers but the non-righteous that are being condemned - poor interpretation similar to what preaching fuckwit evandegists do:-

Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

(and eternal punishment could be anything - reincarnate animal - dead for eternity etc..)

Dontaskme wrote:

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:03 amAnd more to the point. Who the heck is supposed to reincarnate and be given rebirth?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:13 amU. (your POV)

So now you are saying that it is a POV that is reincarnated, and given rebirth..

Of course it is. Your 'soul' is you point of view within life. It traverses forward in time throught living flesh, being reborn according to the karma - how you have behaved\conducted yourself\contemplated life etc...

As can be clearly seen just here, again, as well as throughout this post, these posters here we SO CLOSE to SEEING and OBTAINING thee ACTUAL Truth of things, but they JUST MISSED the MARK ever so slightly.

Again, and this was only because they would not LET GO of those 'currently', to them, HELD ONTO BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 am

Dontaskme wrote:And that according to you attofishpi is what God is? ...is that right?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you suggesting I think I am God? - I am a part of IT as U are.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 am
btw re Matthew 25:46...you are using an EVANGELIST tactic...it is not non-believers but the non-righteous that are being condemned - poor interpretation similar to what preaching fuckwit evandegists do:-

It wasn't meant to be a tactic at all. It was simply a quote on quote. To show people what other people are believing.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 amMatthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

(and eternal punishment could be anything - reincarnate animal - dead for eternity etc..)

Aside from the 'dead for eternity' idea goes, I'm all in for that idea, if only that was possible, I'd choose dead for eternity over life anytime.

But the idea of eternal punishment sounds more like what reincarnation would actually signify, because to be born is to be subject to suffering as an unavoidable part of what it means to be a sentient living life form with a nervous system, and so as long as there is sentience there will be the rebirth of pain and suffering reincarnating over and over again.

But how 'you', "dontaskme", the one very little 'individual' thing, views and sees 'things' is NOT necessarily what the ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY. Or, do 'you' ACTUALLY BELIEVE that 'your' OWN very individual small and tiny perspective of 'things' is what the ACTUAL Truth IS?

That to me, seems like the only valid and logical meaning we could apply to the word ''reincarnation'' as far as I can understand.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am But then in the 'dead for eternity' idea, that sounds more like what heaven would be like, well for me personally anyway, where there will be a permanent cessation of suffering and pain that seems intent to rebirth itself on earth over and over again.

WHEN will 'you', VERY INSIGNIFICANT individual human beings STOP thinking that 'reincarnation' is about 'you'?

There is absolutely NOTHING within the ACTUAL 'reincarnation' concept/idea that involves an individual 'you'. And, while we are at this, there is absolutely NOTHING within the ACTUAL 'heaven' and 'hell' concept/idea that involves an individual 'you' as well.

If ANY of 'you' LOOKS AT and SEES those words and thinks or believes that they are about 'you', then this just SHOWS and PROVES just HOW SELFISH 'you' had become.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am And so that 'dead for eternity' idea might even be what paradise is, well for me personally it would. I mean what else could paradise be exactly?

Living in Peace and Harmony, with ALL 'things', as well as being happy AND content, in Life. That is; 'what else' 'paradise' is ACTUALLY LIKE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am but the absence of all pain and suffering on earth forever.

Once again, ALL CHILDREN do NOT experience emotional and mental pain NOR suffering when alive. Unless, OF COURSE, 'you', adult human beings, perpetrate it ON them. And it is ONLY 'you', adult human beings, back in those days when this was being written, who, laughably, 'suffered'.

Also, if 'you' do NOT think a sentient creature, such as 'you', human beings, ARE are NOT going to some feel physical pain, in Life, then I am sad to INFORM 'you' that 'you' have been VERY SADLY MIS-TAKEN and/or MISLED.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am I'm such a deep thinker on these matters.

LOL "dontaskme" 'you' have NOT YET even 'scratched the surface', as some would say.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 amOf course it is. Your 'soul' is you point of view within life. It traverses forward in time throught living flesh, being reborn according to the karma - how you have behaved\conducted yourself\contemplated life etc...

But this is all simply human story telling, made up of pure conjecture and speculation, there is no actual proof of these ideas as being an actual literal reality experienced by a human being.

AND, it could be said and argued, that what 'you' keep TELLING 'us' "dontaskme" is ALSO just 'simply human story telling, made up of pure conjecture and speculation, AS WELL.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am This idea, that we are reborn according to our karma only popped up recently in comparison to the idea that the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and we humans have only just arrived on the scene, and suddenly it's as if we've got everything figured out as to what we are doing here and why we are here and for what purpose and meaning.

OBVIOUSLY, NONE of 'you' have figured these things out, YET. Which INCLUDES 'you', "dontaskme".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am Hmm, wishful thinking really, I hardly doubt we have any idea about anything really as to what is reality, especially when it comes to our own place in this life. Did a curiousity lead us into some kind of temptation to make-up, or imagine just about any old cock and bull story we can muster just to make some kind of sense of a world we found ourselves in, through no choice of our own. I mean any story would have been better than no story at all I suppose.

WHY?

NO OTHER 'animal' makes up these 'cock and bull' STORIES, and from what I have observed NONE of them live with mental and emotional pain and suffering like 'you', adult human beings, OBVIOUSLY DO.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am Then what about the time dinosaurs roamed the earth for millions of years. Heck, where was our soul then....where did it reside, where did it exist, did it ever exist?

When 'you', human beings, USE the Right wording, with the Right definitions, THEN 'you' WILL ALSO come to SEE and UNDERSTAND 'what' ACTUALLY EXISTS and 'what' ACTUALLY does NOT EXIST.

What the word 'soul' ACTUALLY means and refers to, in relation to with what ACTUALLY FITS IN, PERFECTLY, WITH the Great Unified 'Theory' Of Everything [GUT and TOE}, which, by the way, is NOT what 'you', human beings, ASSUMED 'it' meant and referred to, in the days when this was being written, THEN what IS ACTUALLY True becomes CRYSTAL CLEAR.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am or did it just pop-up one day when the opportunity, conditions and timing arose for it to do so. Or was it just down to the pure luck and chance thanks to that huge big rock that smashed into the planet wiping out a species that roamed the planet for eons. It's all very random isn't it, one minute there's these huge monster looking creatures, then along comes cute little bunny rabbits and lambs and kittens, and then humans. All of which might never have happened if not for that rock smashing into the earth, we might never have existed ever, ever ever, at all, imagine that.

Then 'you', "dontaskme", would NOT have be born, ABUSED as a child, and now living IN CONSTANT pain AND suffering, correct?

Dontaskme wrote:And that according to you attofishpi is what God is? ...is that right?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 amI have no idea what you are talking about. Are you suggesting I think I am God? - I am a part of IT as U are.

You said earlier that you thought God as being this...... Consider it the CPU operating at sub-atomic matter.

And then there is this >

Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.” So God created human beings in his own image.


Why does God not make any sense atto?
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But 'God', Itself, MAKES 'pure sense'.

It is ONLY 'you', adult human beings, who CONFUSE 'things', by making them seem 'hard' and/or 'complex'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:43 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:07 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:42 pmBut if nothing can change in your philosophy, if it is that kind of thing you meant above. Well, I have now been clearly warned that you are impervious.

Gooroo talk:

If you chain an elephant it will fight the constraint. The elephant is strong enough to pull up your puny stakes. If you fight a thought it will fight the constraint while you’re watching it, and it’s strong enough to stay. You can’t fence them in, but once you can guide elephants and thoughts you can guide them to stillness and they won't go on a rampage. But guiding women? Good luck, Buck.

Oh no, what a surprise, if it isn’t the woman hater showing up again to get his daily fix of hating on women

Please go educate yourself kunt ..and know that the happiest people alive in this world today are single women

If 'you', "dontaskme", are a so-called 'single woman', and supposedly, according to what 'you', CLAIM here are one of the 'happiest people ALIVE', then what does that mean for ALL of the "other" people? Considering the fact that 'you' HATE 'life' and WISH that 'you' were NEVER born and ALWAYS dead.

As for what "walker" said and stated above, the absolute STUPIDITY of it speaks for itself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am No one guides a woman but herself

So fuck off Walker you absolutely vile piece of useless shit

This kind of talk does NOT sound like a 'happy' person. Well not to 'me' anyway.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:18 pm

Not really. U haven't bothered to consider such a thing as living, loving, being surrounded by caring people such as sages and Christ for a very very long time..not good enough for you?

Life is not for everyone.

I hate being alive. I’ve hated life all my life. I’m relieved to know I’m nearly at the end of my life.

If people enjoy life I’m happy for them. But I hate it. I have never gotten any pleasure from life at all. Quite the opposite really, life has been nothing but pain and suffering, misery and confusion for me. I’ve just pretended to like it for the sake of those who do enjoy living. I’ve endured life because it’s what’s been expected of me.

When 'you' have been ABUSED, the way that 'you' have been "dontaskme", then 'we' do NOT expect ANY thing from, NOR of, 'you'.

And, maybe if 'you' were Honest much earlier on in Life, and were NOT pretending, like 'you' do now, then 'you' might have a much BETTER UNDERSTANDING of Life, and living, than 'you' do now.

Also, if 'you', as an adult human being, live in or with pain and suffering, and have been living with NOTHING but pain and suffering, then all 'we' can really do is APOLOGIZE for ALL the ABUSE that 'you', obviously, HAD TO endure as a child.

For if you grew up with NO abuse AT ALL, then you would NOT be living a life of pain and suffering AT ALL, NOW.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm

Look, I've had an extremely difficult life since 1997, due to God testing me extremely. But surely, your life has not been so bad that you would like never to exist again? Y?

I would rather have never been born.

Why do you keep informing us of this, while at the same time proclaiming to 'enjoy life', for the sake of those who do enjoy life?

Most of us here, in this forum, mostly enjoy life.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm The unborn are the lucky ones.

This statement makes NO sense AT ALL.

It is completely and utterly NONSENSICAL, to say the least.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm I don’t like most humans very much; they can be dangerous dark and devious and liars. Some are ok,

Although the answer is VERY OBVIOUS, but to hear 'it' from 'you', to 'you', WHO are the 'dangerous ones, dark, devious, and lying' ones, EXACTLY?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm but I trust no one, which is sad.

So, if to 'you', there is NOT A human being that 'you' could trust, WHY can 'you' NOT even trust "your" own children?

What have 'you' done to them to make them NOT trustworthy? Or, do 'you' BELIEVE that they were born that way?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm And is why I shouldn’t be born, I do not feel comfortable being alive. It’s a very nerve wracking experience and it scares me the thought of being killed or tortured.

SO, WHY think about being killed or tortured?

(Again, the answer is OBVIOUS, but better to hear from the 'horse's mouth', as some might say.)

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the idea of being a feeling sentient being who can experience excruciating pain both physically and emotionally. I cry a lot. Sometimes uncontrollably and I cannot stop it when the tears want to flow. The thought of reincarnation scares me to death. I hate the idea of having to live life over and over and over again. I feel so broken and lost being alive. The only time I feel good is when I am asleep.

I post on this forum because I have nothing else to do.

What do you mean by, 'you have NOTHING ELSE to do'?

There are just about an uncountable amount of OTHER things that you could be doing, then just writing on this forum.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm It passes the time, until I am no more.

Climbing mountains or deep sea diving are just two OTHER things that 'pass the time', UNTIL a human body is, as 'you' say, 'no more'.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:26 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:18 pm

Not really. U haven't bothered to consider such a thing as living, loving, being surrounded by caring people such as sages and Christ for a very very long time..not good enough for you?

Life is not for everyone.

I hate being alive. I’ve hated life all my life. I’m relived to know I’m nearly at the end of my life.

If people enjoy life I’m happy for them. But I hate it. I have never gotten any pleasure from life at all. Quite the opposite really, life has been nothing but pain and suffering, misery and confusion for me. I’ve just pretended to like it for the sake of those who do enjoy living. I’ve endured life because it’s what’s been expected of me.

Look, I've had an extremely difficult life since 1997, due to God testing me extremely. But surely, your life has not been so bad that you would like never to exist again? Y?

I would rather have never been born. The unborn are the lucky ones. I don’t like most humans very much; they can be dangerous dark and devious and liars. Some are ok, but I trust no one, which is sad. And is why I shouldn’t be born, I do not feel comfortable being alive. It’s a very nerve wracking experience and it scares me the thought of being killed or tortured.

I hate the idea of being a feeling sentient being who can experience excruciating pain both physically and emotionally. I cry a lot. Sometimes uncontrollably and I cannot stop it when the tears want to flow. The thought of reincarnation scares me to death. I hate the idea of having to live life over and over and over again. I feel so broken and lost being alive. The only time I feel good is when I am asleep.

I post on this forum because I have nothing else to do. It passes the time, until I am no more.

Well it saddens me to read the above.

I know you do dwell on considerations on the nasty side of life - such as animal suffering. A zebra being torn apart by a pack of lions you mentioned. Well, from my experience of God I don't believe everything that we witness is the truth as to what is actually happening,

But what the body does see/experience IS what is ACTUALLY happening. However, what is INTERPRETED may NOT be what is ACTUALLY happening AT ALL.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm in fact I would not be surprised if >90% of what we 'see' 'hear' is bollocks.

Would you also be not surprised if up to 90% of what you say and write is also bollocks? Or, would you be surprised if it was?

Like ALWAYS, your Honest answer would be very much appreciated here.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm The night that God had me bashed with a baseball bat (that morning I heard "tonight bad luck" as I climbed out of bed) - I had a fractured arm, pins and wires in my not so funny bone..I didn't have any decent pain killers (a screw up with my prescription) - I was in agony that night, indeed crying from the pain.

WHY did God have you bashed?

What had you been doing?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm I decided to say a prayer (since I knew by this stage that God exists as ALL matter), I asked for the pain to go. The reply "Would you like me to erase that." to which I said yes of course. ALL the pain dissapeared, it was such a relief...but then about 10 mins later, the pain started to return and the voice said "Do you understand?" - I replied "No I fucking don't, get rid of the pain!!"

HOW COME 'you' STILL do NOT 'understand'?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm Anyway. Fact is that God can "erase pain"..it can zip souls out of their suffering prior to being torn apart by Earthquakes, Lions etc...so don't waste your time concentrating on what you perceive as the horrid side of life, and indeed, hating God (if there was one).

WHY did you just write and say, 'If there was one', in relation to God, when you just got through TELLING us that God had you bashed?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm Even though God made me suffer more than anyone I know, (I actually thought I may have been Hitler in a prev life!) I am glad that IT exists since I know it can alleviate suffering, and not all that we perceive is really happening to humans\animals etc..

LOL
LOL
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How many people do you ACTUALLY KNOW?

Now, compare that to how many people have ACTUALLY lived, and now REALIZE that your so-called 'suffering' was, on the scale of things, absolutely NOTHING AT ALL.

"dontaskme" has HAD TO endure MORE 'pain, and 'suffer' MORE, than you ever have "attofishpi".

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:48 pm ..so, do as I do...Always Look on the Bright Side of Life
https://youtu.be/SJUhlRoBL8M

ps. I don't know Y God insists on leaving us with so much doubt.

LOL
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But there is NO 'doubt' when you are AWARE and UNDERSTAND.

Also, God does NOT 'leave you', 'you', adult human beings, are just NOT YET AWARE of what ACTUALLY HAPPENS because 'you' LOOK AT and SEE 'things', from 'your' OWN very shallow and very narrowed view or perspective of 'things'.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:23 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:09 pm
You were a flower once, I remember watering you during the night.

Thank you.

Wallflowers deserve the most care, being the best bedder in the garden.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:12 pm There are no atheists in foxholes.

There are no God's in foxholes either.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:12 pm
You asked why he was upset. As you say here, you get upset when you are in pain. He was being crucified. That's painful. There's the answer to your original question. Yes, you also asked about God. But here I was pointing out that it would seem like you understand why he might have been upset.

Yes, I understand why he would have been upset nailed to a cross and left to die a slow agonising death. I understand that anyone in the same situation would also be upset.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:12 pmBut I brought up the scenario of the crucifixion because earlier you made it sound like in Christianity you could not doubt, should not doubt. But here we have Jesus, in the central part of Christianity, as the central figure, calling out in doubt and despair. To me that says there is room for doubt in Christianity. And I know this from feet on the ground from interactions with Christians.

I stick by the fact that we should not doubt the inevitibility of pain, suffering and death, it's what every living thing has been sentenced to by life. Jesus calling out to God in despair would be a futile appeal because most normal rational intelligent thinking human beings know there is no such thing as a God who is going to save us from death. That's all I've been saying all along.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:12 pmIf you can't understand what I'm getting at, that's ok. I tried a few times in different phrasings and emphases. I also noticed the post where you seem to hate life and the suffering in it. That, I thought, might help you understand why he was upset. It seems, so far, you can't connect your upsetness with life to his. But, it's ok. I'll move on.

Look, I understand why he was upset, no need to keep taking this issue off on a tangent that we end up losing all sight of the actual issue we are supposed to be engaged in.

All I'm saying is there is a difference with the way I suffer in life and the way Jesus suffered on the cross.
Jesus called out to his Father God in despair, whereas I in my suffering just deal with it knowing that it's an inevitible part of being alive, I certainly do not call out to some loving Father God, a figure that someone else made-up and expected other people to believe was real. A figure known as a God who will never leave you, and will always be there for you, never to desert you in your desperate hour of need.

I personally would not appeal to such a figure because in my logic, there is no such figure, there's only what someone else has told me about, which is not my belief, nor is it my idea....Therefore, whenever I am suffering and in pain, which is pretty much most of the time, I generally just allow my circumstances whatever they are to unfold as they are meant to, it's not like I can do anything to avoid them if that's what's happening to me, is it?

Are we getting any clearer about this issue yet?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:06 pm
I imagined you were going to say that... and I agree in part. Everything is made up of the same energy. At the same time, that energy can manifest in so many ways. I guess, being human, enables us to experience the same as different.

I agree energy is all the same difference. Reality is a dance at play only with itself. Some call it God, some call it just ''THIS'' but it's all the same one love action dreaming difference where there is none. My opinion only.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:06 pmBy the way, I really enjoyed your clear and easy-to-follow response. At this moment it feels like you and I could be sitting under a tree somewhere, having a cosmic conversation.

Thanks Lacewing. I enjoy our conversations too, even the ones where you are bashing me and calling me out as a salad spinner. I love your honesty.

I guess you and I talking on this forum is kind of like the closest we'll ever get to sitting under that tree having a cosmic conversation.

Keep posting if you can, I enjoy hearing your ideas.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:10 am

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:12 pm There are no atheists in foxholes.

There are no God's in foxholes either.

Then why do men in foxholes, pray to God?

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:22 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:10 am

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:12 pm There are no atheists in foxholes.

There are no God's in foxholes either.

Then why do men in foxholes, pray to God?

They don't.


The praying only happens inside your own noggin, the one known as Walker.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:23 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:22 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:10 am

There are no God's in foxholes either.

Then why do men in foxholes, pray to God?

They don't.

It's a known fact that they do. They also call out for their mothers.

You don't know much, do you?

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:25 am
It's a known fact that they do. They also call out for their mothers.

You don't know much, do you?

You are losing sight of reality again.

Calling out to your biological relations is one thing, but calling out to something that does not exist except inside ones head as an idea is another.

There's no such figure as a non-biological father called God. . except as a fantasy contrived out of nothing, out of the aching longing to know what can never be known...Ok?

You don't know much do you, except what you make-up conceptually, using empty sound. Sorry, I do know how hard this must be for you to accept.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:08 pm I hate it when people say — always look on the bright side of life

I don’t want to be alive period, full stop. There’s no bright side, even if there was it is only for a fleeting moment before it’s dark again. Everything good just passes away. And all there seems to be left is just emptiness and aloneness. Mostly nothingness.


I’m just so done. I’m done playing this stupid game called human life that is almost an insult to my intelligence.

I’m no longer pretending or trying to convince myself that life is or was ever worth living. I’ve given myself permission to hate being alive. I’ve also given myself permission to feel broken and numb to the world I am forced to live day after day after day doing the same thing over and over again. A hamster wheel of a life.

I feel like I’m stuck inside a horror movie forever trapped with no way out ever.

How could an adult human being 'feel stuck' in Life when they obviously KNOW about suicide?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:08 pm I just want to go to sleep forever and never wake up ever again.