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AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:34 pm You understand (via objectification) what a "dog" is, but you cannot know it directly.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:18 amHence me asking you: what did you experience when you interpreted/objectified a "dog"?

A ''dog'' is a known concept of I
There is no actual ''dog'' there apart from the I that conceives it...there's an image of a dog as perceived, interpreted, but there's no actual literal dog. No eye has ever seen a ''dog''

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:24 am A ''dog'' is a known concept of I
There is no actual ''dog'' there apart from the I that conceives it...there's an image of a dog as perceived, interpreted, but there's no actual literal dog. No eye has ever seen a ''dog''

You are trying to explain your mental model of existence to no body, no one, no thing. Amusement or validation. One wonders.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:18 am
I = reality is the same as "We experience the map, not the territory".

I doesn't experience ANY ''thing''...I cannot experience itself as a conceptual thing/object.

A concept is a known thing of I but not I .. No known 'thing' experiences. There is No thing there experiencing. There's just experiencing.

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Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:24 am A ''dog'' is a known concept of I
There is no actual ''dog'' there apart from the I that conceives it...there's an image of a dog as perceived, interpreted, but there's no actual literal dog. No eye has ever seen a ''dog''

You are trying to explain your mental model of existence to no body, no one, no thing. Amusement or validation. One wonders.

Welcome to real reality.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:41 am

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:24 am A ''dog'' is a known concept of I
There is no actual ''dog'' there apart from the I that conceives it...there's an image of a dog as perceived, interpreted, but there's no actual literal dog. No eye has ever seen a ''dog''

You are trying to explain your mental model of existence to no body, no one, no thing. Amusement or validation. One wonders.

Welcome to real reality.

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How do you think human communication would fare if we all adopted your mode of being?

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:44 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:41 am

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 am
You are trying to explain your mental model of existence to no body, no one, no thing. Amusement or validation. One wonders.

Welcome to real reality.

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How do you think human communication would fare if we all adopted your mode of being?

Real reality.

Humanity would realise what's actually going on rather than just what they they think is going on. They'd fair pretty well actually.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:45 am Real reality.

Humanity would realise what's actually going on rather than just what they they think is going on. They'd fair pretty well actually.

And once realisation is abound, what next?

Lets see how that goes. I agree with you. There is no thing. No body. No I.

Now what?

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:44 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:41 am

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 am
You are trying to explain your mental model of existence to no body, no one, no thing. Amusement or validation. One wonders.

Welcome to real reality.

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How do you think human communication would fare if we all adopted your mode of being?

'' Was it hard? I ask.
Letting go?
Not as hard as holding on to something that wasn't real. ''

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Logik.. be sure to let go of the air when falling. Free falling...ulitmate liberation.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:55 am '' Was it hard? I ask.
Letting go?
Not as hard as holding on to something that wasn't real. ''

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Logik.. be sure to let go of the air when falling. Free falling...ulitmate liberation.

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I have let go. I am free falling. I am liberated!

What now?

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:55 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:45 am Real reality.

Humanity would realise what's actually going on rather than just what they they think is going on. They'd fair pretty well actually.

And once realisation is abound, what next?

Lets see how that goes. I agree with you. There is no thing. No body. No I.

Now what?

What is now is just now that's what.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:56 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:55 am '' Was it hard? I ask.
Letting go?
Not as hard as holding on to something that wasn't real. ''

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Logik.. be sure to let go of the air when falling. Free falling...ulitmate liberation.

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I have let go. I am free falling. I am liberated!

What now?

Nothing...what, you were expecting more?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:58 am What is now is just now that's what.

Yes. I know that.

Now I am hungry. Do I need to get food or is hunger just an illusion of the I?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:59 am Nothing...what, you were expecting more?

Yeah! I am expecting more! Food and shelter.

At the very least.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:00 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:58 am What is now is just now that's what.

Yes. I know that.

Now I am hungry. Do I need to get food or is hunger just an illusion of the I?

You have never told yourself you are hungry..that's the illusion....

Hunger arises to no body, that's real.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:01 am You have never told yourself you are hungry..that's the illusion....

Hunger arises to no body, that's real.

Does no body need real food?