Christianity

[Pistolero]

We need scapegoats to the degree that our ideals contradict or are contradicted by the real - by nature.
Then we must find an excuse, or something to blame for our suffering, our failures, because we will never question our ideals.

So, spiritual nihilism must progress and evolve into secular nihilism, and secular nihilism must maintain its scapegoats, even if it overcomes the Messiah narratives.

Given the immorality of the messianic concept, and how all our courts frown on knowingly punishing the innocent instead of the guilty, it should not be hard to have moral people reject what we have collectively already rejected.

The moral of the whole Bible is to recognize a good God from the putrid genocidal Trinity we adore.

I know, friend...YOUR version of the Jew god, is better than THEIR version of the Jew god.
What matters is that we all worship the Jew god.
Because, without the Jews, there would be no 'goodness' in this world. By 'goodness' I mean, nothing to offer relieving retribution to all you innocent victims of nature's injustices.

And what humility.
Your Jew god declares himself the greatest, and you, in your humble innocence, believe that you are so precious, so important, that you deserve eternal life, and a protector god of such immense powers.
Your humility is inspiring.

[Pistolero]

Equity....all must attain the same.
You must "heal" nature's injustices, through social engineering, and then mask your culpability with various machinations.
Like denying free-will, like redefining words, like selectively applying natural selection, like using an imaginary ideal, i.e., god....etc.
Your kind....

In order for your social program to succeed, you must convince yourself that inequity is social....not genetic.
Society creates unequal outcomes....
You must believe this, otherwise your system is debunked.
And that is why you fail....and must find a scapegoat to blame.

Your diagnosis is naive, and wrong.
You can never erase inequity....
Even if you manged a totalitarian system, imposing strict rules....you still have nature to contend with.
Nature punishes such hubris.

Wherever man intervenes he produces pollutants....material and genetic. Unfit mutations propagate and the entire herd becomes ill, unable to cope with the slightest degree of resistance.

[Greatest I am]

We need scapegoats to the degree that our ideals contradict or are contradicted by the real - by nature.
Then we must find an excuse, or something to blame for our suffering, our failures, because we will never question our ideals.

So, spiritual nihilism must progress and evolve into secular nihilism, and secular nihilism must maintain its scapegoats, even if it overcomes the Messiah narratives.

Given the immorality of the messianic concept, and how all our courts frown on knowingly punishing the innocent instead of the guilty, it should not be hard to have moral people reject what we have collectively already rejected.

The moral of the whole Bible is to recognize a good God from the putrid genocidal Trinity we adore.

I know, friend...YOUR version of the Jew god, is better than THEIR version of the Jew god.
What matters is that we all worship the Jew god.
Because, without the Jews, there would be no 'goodness' in this world. By 'goodness' I mean, nothing to offer relieving retribution to all you innocent victims of nature's injustices.

And what humility.
Your Jew god declares himself the greatest, and you, in your humble innocence, believe that you are so precious, so important, that you deserve eternal life, and a protector god of such immense powers.
Your humility is inspiring.

That was a stupid read.

Gods were invented way before Jews and the genocidal Trinity that Moses rejected as good.

As to Jewry, yes, I, like them, put man above God.

As Jesus askes from the Bible, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

[Greatest I am]

Equity....all must attain the same.

What a horrible notion.

What happened to women and children first?

Should women and children be brought down to a man's level?

Are you in the Captain Coward Club?

There is a noise downstairs. Will you send your wife of child to check it out?

All our levels of excellence are competed for. We have thrown out equality for our hierarchical systems because they are better.

[Pistolero]

Women and children first, because without them there is no future.
I do not support equity. Do I?

Equity is the idea that all must succeed...all deserve to end up at the same place.

But you do not respond....on topic.

In your "humility" your arrogance is astounding.
Christianity is the spirituality of slaves....slaves that hate what nature has made them.
Slaves that resent what they are, and so must avenge themselves.

It is Judaism for the goy.
A religion of slaves, for the slaves...for the world's slavish spirit.

[Pistolero]

Must I quote Nietzsche to you?

The Christian conception of God is one of the most corrupt conceptions of God arrived at on earth;
perhaps it even represents the low water mark in the descending development of the God type. God
degenerated to the contradiction of life, instead of being its transfiguration and eternal Yes! In God a
declaration of hostility towards life, nature, will to life! God the formula for every calumny of “this world,”
for every lie about “the next world”!

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The weak and the failures shall perish: first principles of our love of man. And they shall even be
given every possible assistance. What is more harmful than any vice? Active pity for all the failures and all
the weak: Christianity.

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I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.

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The Jews are the most remarkable nation of world history because, faced with the question of
being or not being, they preferred... being at any price: the price they had to pay was the radical
falsification of all nature, all naturalness, all reality, the entire inner world as well as the outer... Considered
psychologically, the Jewish nation is a nation of the toughest vital energy which... took the side of all
décadence instincts — not as being dominated by them but because it divined in them a power by means ofwhich one can prevail against “the world.” The Jews are the counterparts of décadents: they have been
compelled to act as décadents to the point of illusion...
[T]his kind of man has a life-interest in making mankind sick, and in inverting the concepts of “good” and
“evil,” “true” and “false” in a mortally dangerous and world-maligning sense

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Christianity as a denaturalization of herd-animal morality: accompanied by absolute
misunderstanding and self-deception. Democratization is a more natural form of it, one less mendacious.
Datum: the oppressed, the lowly, the great masses of slaves and semi-slaves desire power.
First step: they make themselves free-they ransom themselves, in imagination at first, they recognize one
another, they prevail.
Second step: they enter into battle, they demand recognition, equal rights, “justice.”
Third step: they demand privileges (they draw the representatives of power over to their side).
Fourth step: they demand exclusive power, and they get it –
In Christianity, three elements must be distinguished: (a) the oppressed of all kinds, (b) the mediocre of all
kinds, (c) the discontented and sick of all kinds.
With the first element Christianity fights against the political nobility and its ideal; with the second
clement, against the exceptional and privileged (spiritually, physically –) of all kinds; with the third element,
against the natural instinct of the healthy and happy.
When a victory is won, the second element steps into the fore-ground;
This mediocre nature at last grows so conscious of itself (acquires courage for itself –) that it arrogates even
political power to itself – Democracy is Christianity made natural:
[WTP, 215

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When the socialist with a fine indignation demands “justice,” “right,” “equal rights,” he is merely
acting under the impress of his inadequate culture that cannot explain why he is suffering: on the other
hand, he enjoys himself; if he felt better, he would refrain from crying out: he would then find pleasure in
other things. The same applies to the Christian: he condemns, disparages, curses the “world” – himself not
excluded. But that is no reason for taking his clamor seriously. In both cases we are in the presence of
invalids who feel better for crying out, for whom defamation is a relief.

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Decay! Decay! Ne’er sank the world so low! Rome is now a harlot and a brothel, too, Rome’s
Caesar a beast, and God himself – a Jew!

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The symbol of this fight… throughout the course of history up to the present time, is called ‘Rome
against Judea, Judea against Rome.’ Hitherto there has been no greater event than that fight, the putting of
that question, that deadly antagonism. Rome found in the Jew the incarnation of the unnatural, as though it
were its diametrically opposed monstrosity, and in Rome the Jew was held to be convicted of hatred of thewhole human race: and rightly so, in so far as it is right to link the well-being and the future of the human
race to the unconditional mastery of the aristocratic values, of the Roman values…
The Romans were the strong and aristocratic; a nation stronger and more aristocratic has never existed in
the world, has never been dreamed of.
The Jews, conversely, were that priestly nation of resentment par excellence, possessed by a unique genius
for popular morals: just compare with the Jews the nations with analogous gifts, such as the Chinese or the
Germans, so as to realise afterwards what is first rate, and what is fifth rate.

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We few or many who dare again to live in a dis-moralised world, we pagans in faith: we are also
the first to grasp what a pagan faith is: – to have to imagine higher creatures than man, but beyond good
and evil; to have to consider all being higher as also being immoral. We believe in Olympus – and not in
the ‘Crucified.’

[Pistolero]

Must I proceed to Heisman...a secular Jew?

Judaism began with a belief in the power of nurture to overcome nature, a belief in mind over
matter. It is the belief that the sociobiological logic represented by ancient Egypt is not the only way, and
that by learning a people can survive otherwise. Gods, such as the sun god, rooted in observable nature,
represent extensions of probable beliefs. God, superior to the laws of nature, represents the utmost
possibilities of belief. Unity with God could transcend pagan unity with nature.
When one follows God’s laws over man’s (biologically ground) laws, one is literally overriding one’s own
biological nature, and hence performing a perfectly “secular” miracle of non-biology transcending
biological nature.

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When Jews acquired power after historic powerlessness, the original conditions of Judaism
unraveled. To empower the powerless or marginalized is self-empowering while Jews themselves arepowerless. But when the Jewish cause becomes victorious, this strategy backfires and Jewish principles
deconstruct themselves, inverting the inverters.
For the Zionist state to consistently empower the disempowered Palestinians at their own expense would be
political suicide. Being Goliath is a problem when the moral of the story is that David ultimately wins. The
internationalism of Christianity laid the common ground for a world that has a place for the nationalism of
the Jews. Just as Roman conquerors penetrated the territorial-sociobiological boundaries of the ancient
Jewish state, the Jewish-based God memes of Christianity penetrated the ancient Roman world. Christianity
began a process of blunting and mollifying the deepest ethical-cultural gulfs between Jew and gentile. The
penetration of Jewish genes into the modern gentile West is only a continuation of the anti-kin selective
logic that began with Christianity. In other words, Jewish assimilation as individuals in the modernistic
West is only a continuation of gentile assimilation to the sociobiological impact of Christianity. Both as
individuals and as a Zionist state, Western assimilation of Jewish bodies was founded upon Western
assimilation of a Jewish “spirit.”

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The tabla rasa of Judaism can be found in the story of the forty years of wandering in the desert
after exodus from Egypt. After the Golden Calf incident, God told Moses, “The people that you brought up
out of the land of Egypt have dealt corruptly” (Exodus 32:7). In an instance of divine eliminationist antiSemitism, God exhibited a genocidal intention to destroy Israel and give Moses a more fit people to lead.
Moses, however, tied his fate to his people. Golden Calf decadence betrayed a lack of self-control by a
people still mentally mastered by Egyptian masters. A slavish, ghetto-like fear of the Canaanites who
occupied the Promised Land betrayed a lack of self-mastery. God ultimately decided that they must wander
forty years so that a new generation, born in freedom, would be fit for the Promised Land.
In God’s relinquishment of genocide against the Hebrews, and his decree that they can and must wander in
the desert for forty years, one can see the ancient kernel of the modern tabla rasa idea that nurture can
overcome nature.

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God commanded the supernatural veto of the justice of natural selection — the natural justice of
death for the weak and survival for the strong. God is the breaking of the vicious cycle that pushes the low
lower and raises the strength of the stronger. The rupture of this “evil” oppressive vicious cycle under the
transcendent law of God was the beginning of a non-cyclical or historical view of the cosmos. The Jewish
conception of a non-cyclical universe represents a rupture of the primordial, biological cosmos. Freedom
from Egyptian slavery is a metaphor for a larger story of freedom: freedom from slavery to genes. Freedom
from slavery to the genes could be achieved only through submission to God’s post-biological laws. The
beginning of the beginning was revolt against slavery to the genes.

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Marx is probably the most influential modern example of the famous (and infamous) Jewish
proclivity for the left-wing socialistic causes. His vision of a communist culmination of human history that
resolves the contradictions of the capitalistic world by turning it upside down was nothing less than a
nineteenth century updating of the primal archetype of the first revolution: the Mosaic inversion of the
Egyptian pyramid-hierarchy. Marxism could thus be interpreted as a “secularization” of a Biblically based,
messianic Weltanschauung. The issue behind secularization concerns the origin of “modern” values. If
reason, in itself, cannot decide fundamental values then so-called “secular” values cannot be fundamentally
rational. The traditional idea of secularization, most strongly associated with Nietzsche, claimed that the
modern idea of progress and its egalitarian values were residues of belief in God; Biblical values without
Biblical faith. Modern egalitarianism and modern progress, in his view, were secularizations of Biblical
values. And at the root of Biblical values was the slave morality that glorified Jewish national political
failure.

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From the standpoint of natural selection, foundational human rights are literally supernatural in the
sense that the universal right to life works in functional opposition to natural selection. A literal
enforcement of equal rights tends to preserve the biological status quo against eugenic attempts to
deliberately change the genetic composition of a population and steer the biological evolution of the human
race. The “progress” of modern egalitarianism and modern right, if realized, would accomplish the
outlawing of conscious eugenic control over biological evolution and effectually glorify the present
biological status quo almost as if realizing the unchanging Eden of God’s creation.

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Equality would seem to implicate an ultimate trajectory of evolutionary “regression” because
equal rights imply the beginning of the end of Darwinian selection. A genuine, progressive implementation
of universal equal rights implies the artificial end of natural selection; the systematic unraveling of the
mechanism that made the evolution of life possible in the first place. The principle of equality can thus be
look at as the principle of the elimination of selection. The idea of “natural right” is pre-Darwinian. It is
thus not especially surprising that the “progress” of the modern idea of the individual right to life leads in
precisely the opposite direction as the “progress” of natural selection.
The egalitarian elimination of selection is directly tied to the modern notion of leftward “progress”
precisely because the gradual accumulation of selections that built life up suggests an equally gradual
elimination of selections to unravel life down. The opposite of the modern idea of individual rights is the
right of the stronger. Individual rights tend to defend the weaker, while natural selection tends to eliminate
the weaker. From some points of view, then, equal rights can be looked upon as the “progress” of genetic
maladaptation.

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The genes and memes of Judaism evolve towards opposite and incompatible extremes. The rule of
the genes tends to increase social differentiation on the basis of sex and caste because these tend to be the
most efficient divisions of labor from the standpoint of kin selective gene propagation. The rule of the
memes tends to decrease social differentiation on the basis of sex and caste on a basis of social
egalitarianism because the egalitarian memes themselves cannot propagate themselves if totally
subordinated to the total rule of the genes. Jewish genes and Jewish memes are thus in ultimate deadly
competition for development.

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Christian love is a radical passive-aggression of the spirit. Whereas genetic insemination requires
penetration of biological borders, memetic insemination requires penetration of mental or spiritual borders.
Because Jesus’ mind-spirit was the penetration of the mental-spiritual borders that separated Jew and
Roman, his spiritual ideas could penetrate and inseminate hitherto “natural” borders. Whereas sexual love
leads toward genetic insemination, Christian love leads to memetic insemination. Love is an evolutionary
expression of a desire for reproduction and, in this case, the reproduction of the selfish memes of Christian
altruism. Jesus overcame the natural determination of being a natural rapist by becoming a supernatural
rapist. Christian love is Jesus’ gargantuan spiritual penis raping the boundaries of class and race, Jew and
gentile, insider and outsider, and master and slave. Jesus’ penis of the spirit penetrated deep inside until the
spiritually violated Roman-ruled world had been loved to death.

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Where else could typical Jewish aspirations be fulfilled, after all, than within the parvenu idealism
of America? The entire substance of the “If I were a rich man… ”American dream, the whole rags to riches
yarn, betrays the admission that it was the Jews — and not the Christians — who were right about the value
of moneymaking all along. American valuation of “the rule of law” is comparable to the Pharisaic laws that
Jesus revolted against. The capitalism of Americanism is a defense of Pharisaic mammon worship against
Jesus.
The American Empire is neither a new pagan Rome nor a Christian Kingdom of God. The American
Empire is more like the rise of the Pharisees. The hypocrisy of the Pharisees, the ancestors of mainstream
diaspora Judaism, is the typical bourgeois hypocrisy that is the American norm. America, moreover,
resisted the great continental European attacks on bourgeois man, especially by Rousseau, Marx, and
Nietzsche.

[Pistolero]

Must I quote Schopenhauer?

The genuine religion of the Jews… is the crudest of all religions {die roheste aller Religionen}. The
ongoing contempt for Jews, amidst their contemporary peoples, may have been to a large degree due to the
squalid {armsälig} qualities of their religion...
In any case the essence of any religion consists, as such, in its persuasion that it provides for us, namely
that our actual existence is not only limited to our life, but that it remains timeless. The appalling
{erbärmlich} Jewish region does not fulfill this; indeed, it does not even try to...
Therefore, this is the crudest and the worst of all religions consisting only in an absurd and outrageous
{empörend} theism...
While all other religions endeavor to explain to the people by symbols and parables the metaphysical
significance of life, the religion of the Jews is entirely immanent and furnishes nothing but a mere war-cry
{Kriegsgeschrei} in the struggle with other nations.

Whose god are you worshiping?

[Gary Childress]

Christianity is the spirituality of slaves....slaves that hate what nature has made them.
Slaves that resent what they are, and so must avenge themselves.

Do you see Islam as a possible better alternative to Christianity? Or where do you see Islam in the scheme of things? What do you see as a 'healthy' or 'appropriate' spirituality? Is there an earthly example that you would point us to?

[Pistolero]

Christianity is the spirituality of slaves....slaves that hate what nature has made them.
Slaves that resent what they are, and so must avenge themselves.

Do you see Islam as a possible better alternative to Christianity? Or where do you see Islam in the scheme of things? What do you see as a 'healthy' or 'appropriate' spirituality? Is there an earthly example that you would point us to?

I consider Islam part of the Abrahamic triad.
It is closest to Judaism.
Fanatical.
Most Semites are Muslim, in fact. Not Jewish. Most Israelite are not Semites. Most come from eastern Europe.

Having said that...Islam has its own culture. Its own traditions and values.
Muslims have a right to live according to their values without imposing them on others.
But all three Abrahamic variants are messianic. It is in their dogma to spread - selfish meme.
So bringing them into Europe is a big mistake.

[Belinda]

Christianity is the spirituality of those slaves who rebel against unbridled capitalism.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Christianity is the spirituality of those slaves who rebel against unbridled capitalism.

Superb Belinda. I follow Jesus in that. In the tradition of the anti-capitalist prophets. Isaiah chapter one is pure socialism. Whence Chartism and the Labour Party in the UK. In the only culture that I am aware of, Judaism, anciently aspired to the path of equality of outcome, with jubilees; debt cancellation, manumission, land sabbaths.

[Belinda]

Christianity is the spirituality of those slaves who rebel against unbridled capitalism.

Superb Belinda. I follow Jesus in that. In the tradition of the anti-capitalist prophets. Isaiah chapter one is pure socialism. Whence Chartism and the Labour Party in the UK. In the only culture that I am aware of, Judaism, that anciently aspired to the path of equality of outcome, with jubilees; debt cancellation, manumission, land sabbaths.

Jubilee
Say darkeys hab you seen de massa,
Wid de muffstash on his face,
Gos long de road sometime dis mornin'
Like he gwine to leab de place?
He seen a smoke way up de ribber,
Where de Linkum gumboats lay;
He took his hat an' lef' berry sudden
An' I spec he's run away.

CHORUS:
De massa run? Ha! Ha!
De darkeys stay. Ho! Ho!
It mus' be now de kingdom comin'
An' de year ob Jubilo!

He six foot one way, two foot tudder
An' he way tree hundred pound,
His coat so big, he couldn't pay de tailor,
An' it won't go half way 'round.
He drill so much they call him cap'an
An' he get so drefful tann'd,
I spec he try an' fool dem Yankees
For to tink he's contraband!

De darkeys feel so lonesome libbing
In de loghouse on de lawn,
Dey move dar tings to massa's parlor
For to keep it while he's gone.
Dar's wine an' cider in de kitchen,
An' de darkeys dey'll hab some;
I spose dey'll all be cornfiscated
When de Linkum sojers come.

De oberseer he make us trouble
An' he dribe us round a spell;
We lock him up in de smokehouse cellar
Wid de key trown down de well.
De whip is lost de han'cuff broken,
But de massa'll hab his pay.
He's ole enough, big enough outght to known better
Dan to went an' run away.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Aye @Belinda. It took a million dead to free them. And then they got the Carpetbaggers and Jim Crow for another century! The rich keep getting richer. But it must have been a heady moment.

[iambiguous]

Often it is things like this...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fo ... 8106&ei=16

...that perplex me most about a God said to be "loving, just and merciful".

What on earth was He thinking when He watched this all unfold from on high? One of the victims was 4 years old.

And yet here I am hoping against hope that someone might actually be able to bring me back to the Christian God.

How do I explain this? Damned if I know. It's just that with oblivion getting closer and closer what else is there?