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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:52 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:30 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:43 am We know empirically, scientifically, that the universe is not eternal.

Really? When does the universe end?

Eternal in the past. Eternity has two “directions,” you know.

When you refer to the universe as not being eternal, are you referring to the physical composition of the universe, ie: all the components that make up the physical matter that is this universe?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:43 am My God does not have any use for a theory. A theory is what one has when one does not know the answer to something.

This implies God already knows the answers to every question asked, so has no use for further theoretical questions.

Which implies nothing happens in life but the WILL of God, made manifest as and through his created human person.
It implies, humans are God's way of actualising ''actual action'' God's purpose for his created person, that he has already assigned to them to fulfill or not fulfill according to the created person's own free will, as thy WILL be done here on earth, as it is, in God's heaven?

Is that right?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:53 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:36 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:56 pm
Well, sometimes a “paradox” is a “contradiction.” And such is the case in the mathematical concept of infinite regress, as applied to causes. It shows that our supposition (an infinite past) contradicts mathematics. In other words, that it’s not sensible, not rational, and not plausibly true. That’s a great deal more than “paradoxical”: it shows that the basic supposition is downright wrong.

There is no infinite past in the universe. We can be quite certain of that. If we fail to know it, then the fault is in our own apprehension of mathematics.

Yes, but avoiding infinite regress by placing an arbitrary (fictitious) road block,

The “roadblock” is called “maths.”

It doesn't matter what you call it; you are still replacing one apparent impossibility with another. You can't say that God has always existed without the belief that it is possible for something to have always existed.

Osric wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:41 pm I don't believe in free will.

That is fine. There is no mandate my friend, that you have to.

Here is my take on free will. (Samuel Harris and others debate that matter with great interest and often complexity.)

1. You are aware (conscious) only of that which your unconscious puts into your conscious mind.

2. What you think is your free will like....... "I think I will prove free will by moving ummm, aaaah, this pen on my desk from here to over there." <-- That being a sign of free will. Well it is and is not. It is free will from the point of view, you chose a pen rather than the paperclip on your desk. It is not free will bcs it was really your unconscious mind that even suggested the pen rather than the paperclip.

3. In essence, the "you" referred to or the "decision" being made is often thought of by the person you see in the mirror. But it was not really on the deeper level. The "you" or "decision" that it was the pen or paperclip or anything else on your desk was made by the deeper you. The unconscious you. Going back to #1 above my friend, it was a decision made in your unconscious that put the desire to move which object to where on your desk and that information was put in your conscious mind when you then became aware of the pen and where to move it....that made you think the (mirror you) made the decision when it was the deeper you.

There are fascinating studies done on this matter if you would like for me to share with you.

Osric wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:41 pm ... which is why I don't believe in a soul.

Osric, here is a thought or two. Believe me my friend, I am not, not, not attempting to convince you there is a soul. Or for that matter to convince you of anything.

Here is a thought or two.

Intuition. At one time or another, whether we realize it or not, we all have intuition. You may want to think back at a time where you did have an intuition event and wonder what really happened there?

Were you ever someplace where you got a "feeling" that there is a dangerous situation coming up and you stop going in that direction. If so, where did that "feeling" come from.

Talking about feelings, have you ever fallen in love? If so, what is that "feeling" all about? Where did it come from? I'm not saying this proves you have a soul at all. But can you explain that feeling and what it is all about?

Are you aware, that you can actually go into the spirit world and get information about someone you absolutely knew nothing about with 100% accuracy. If, you chose to do that. Could you explain what that is all about? (And I will repeat, yes, you can actually do that.)

With you have a soul or not, is not something another person could "prove" to you. It is a part of your journey my friend. You will only find it if you seek it. And it does not mean you will find it right away. If at all during this lifetime. Or you can find it pretty quickly. We all have different purposes to our journey on earth.

Osric wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:41 pm A person who experiences trauma often responds to input differently than a person without trauma. The trauma is an experience or more. Other experiences can have similar effects, both positive and negative.

I think you are referring to out of body experiences. There is a huge amount of information in that regard in documentaries and books. If you choose to believe one or more of the documentaries and/or books, then wonderful. If not, no worries.

Great questions Osric.

Stay well,

BuzzCap7

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:16 pm
Are you aware, that you can actually go into the spirit world and get information about someone you absolutely knew nothing about with 100% accuracy. If, you chose to do that.

What is the spirit world, and what sort of information does going into it enable you to get about people you know nothing about?

Could you explain what that is all about? (And I will repeat, yes, you can actually do that.)

I certainly can't explain what it's all about. I wonder if you can.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 7:11 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:52 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:30 pm

Really? When does the universe end?

Eternal in the past. Eternity has two “directions,” you know.

When you refer to the universe as not being eternal, are you referring to the physical composition of the universe, ie: all the components that make up the physical matter that is this universe?

By strict definition, that is exactly what the word “universe” refers to: not merely something local, like the Earth or the galaxies, but the entire cosmos. All matter is within the “universe,” which means “the one (of everything).”

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:37 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:43 am My God does not have any use for a theory. A theory is what one has when one does not know the answer to something.

This implies God already knows the answers to every question asked, so has no use for further theoretical questions.

Which implies nothing happens in life but the WILL of God,

Non-sequitur. That conclusion does not follow from your premise. “Know” and “make” are very different verbs. Nobody “makes” things happen by merely “knowing” they will happen.

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:43 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:53 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:36 pm

Yes, but avoiding infinite regress by placing an arbitrary (fictitious) road block,

The “roadblock” is called “maths.”

It doesn't matter what you call it;

It’s not “what I call it.” It’s simply what it is. It has nothing to do with any particular view, only with the impartial calculation by numbers.

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:35 pm
What is the spirit world, and what sort of information does going into it enable you to get about people you know nothing about?

Please understand, I am not claiming to be an expert. What I am sharing is my experience.

1. The spirit world is where all of our souls reside. A higher frequency. A different dimension.

2. What sort of information can you get about other people? That I am aware of, certainly nothing that is personal or something you should not know anything about. In my experiences, I have come back with information on how people have passed on. Very specific, infinitely exact and without generalizations. I can share with you an experience or two of mind if you like.

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:35 pm Could you explain what that is all about? (And I will repeat, yes, you can actually do that.)

I certainly can't explain what it's all about. I wonder if you can.
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Can I explain what it is all about going into the spirit world? Not even close my friend. Not even close.

How to do it? Yes. But not what it is all about?

My multiple ventures into the spirit world (the ones where I purposely went into the spirit world) was to help validate there is such a thing as the "spirit world" or where souls reside.

To me, I need to experience something not just learn it academically or believe something because someone else said something. I question everything.

When I was watching people like James Van Praagh, John Edward, et. al., I had to experience that myself to make it more of a believable thing. I did experience exactly what these people did going into the spirit world about 50 years ago. But in my more recent years, I wanted to go back into the spirit world since now I have the time to explore why we are here, what this is all about, why there is such hatred and wars, etc... So a part of my learning was going into the spirit world.

BuzzCap7

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:10 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:43 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:53 am
The “roadblock” is called “maths.”

It doesn't matter what you call it;

It’s not “what I call it.” It’s simply what it is. It has nothing to do with any particular view, only with the impartial calculation by numbers.

And what, exactly, is the mathematical calculation that you are referring to?

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:23 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:35 pm
What is the spirit world, and what sort of information does going into it enable you to get about people you know nothing about?

Please understand, I am not claiming to be an expert. What I am sharing is my experience.

1. The spirit world is where all of our souls reside. A higher frequency. A different dimension.

I would say that souls and the spirit world are products of your imagination. That's how it comes across.

2. What sort of information can you get about other people? That I am aware of, certainly nothing that is personal or something you should not know anything about. In my experiences, I have come back with information on how people have passed on. Very specific, infinitely exact and without generalizations. I can share with you an experience or two of mind if you like.

I'm sure you could tell me things, but it's highly unlikely that I would believe you.

To me, I need to experience something not just learn it academically or believe something because someone else said something. I question everything.

It's the same with me, which is why I don't take a word of what you say seriously.

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:38 pm

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:23 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:35 pm
What is the spirit world, and what sort of information does going into it enable you to get about people you know nothing about?

Please understand, I am not claiming to be an expert. What I am sharing is my experience.

1. The spirit world is where all of our souls reside. A higher frequency. A different dimension.

I would say that souls and the spirit world are products of your imagination. That's how it comes across.

2. What sort of information can you get about other people? That I am aware of, certainly nothing that is personal or something you should not know anything about. In my experiences, I have come back with information on how people have passed on. Very specific, infinitely exact and without generalizations. I can share with you an experience or two of mind if you like.

I'm sure you could tell me things, but it's highly unlikely that I would believe you.

To me, I need to experience something not just learn it academically or believe something because someone else said something. I question everything.

It's the same with me, which is why I don't take a word of what you say seriously.

You said: Souls and spirits are the product of my imagination. Or that is how it comes across.

My reply: Okay. Go with that.

You said: If I tell you things, you are unlikely to believe me.

My reply: I understand 100%. Okay.

You said: You do not take a word I say seriously.

My reply: Not a problem at all my friend.

I have a question for you. It is not related to the matter about.

In another website when there are multiple questions to reply to there is a "multi reply" button I would click.

Can you explain to me how I can respond to multiple questions that are asked within a post so my reply is immediately below the question or comment being asked. You know what I mean?

Thank you.......BC7

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:25 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:10 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:43 am

It doesn't matter what you call it;

It’s not “what I call it.” It’s simply what it is. It has nothing to do with any particular view, only with the impartial calculation by numbers.

And what, exactly, is the mathematical calculation that you are referring to?

That an infinite regress of prerequisites — of any kind, but in this case, of causes — is impossible. Such a chain of things never gets started, because the set of things that has to happen before any particular “caused” event can come about is always infinite. So nothing can ever happen.

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:02 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:38 pm

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:23 pm

Please understand, I am not claiming to be an expert. What I am sharing is my experience.

1. The spirit world is where all of our souls reside. A higher frequency. A different dimension.

I would say that souls and the spirit world are products of your imagination. That's how it comes across.

2. What sort of information can you get about other people? That I am aware of, certainly nothing that is personal or something you should not know anything about. In my experiences, I have come back with information on how people have passed on. Very specific, infinitely exact and without generalizations. I can share with you an experience or two of mind if you like.

I'm sure you could tell me things, but it's highly unlikely that I would believe you.

To me, I need to experience something not just learn it academically or believe something because someone else said something. I question everything.

It's the same with me, which is why I don't take a word of what you say seriously.

You said: Souls and spirits are the product of my imagination. Or that is how it comes across.

My reply: Okay. Go with that.

You said: If I tell you things, you are unlikely to believe me.

My reply: I understand 100%. Okay.

You said: You do not take a word I say seriously.

My reply: Not a problem at all my friend.

I have a question for you. It is not related to the matter about.

In another website when there are multiple questions to reply to there is a "multi reply" button I would click.

Can you explain to me how I can respond to multiple questions that are asked within a post so my reply is immediately below the question or comment being asked. You know what I mean?

Thank you.......BC7

I can only tell you how I do it, but I suspect there is a better way.

I first click the quote symbol at the top right of the post, and then click on "Preview". I then delete everything below the comment I am replying to (in the edit window), except for the final quote mark, and then I write my reply. After that, I copy and paste from the preview window. Click on the quote symbol at the top of the edit window, and paste between the brackets. If you need instructions that are easier to follow, I suggest asking someone else.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:11 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:25 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:10 pm
It’s not “what I call it.” It’s simply what it is. It has nothing to do with any particular view, only with the impartial calculation by numbers.

And what, exactly, is the mathematical calculation that you are referring to?

That an infinite regress of prerequisites — of any kind, but in this case, of causes — is impossible. Such a chain of things never gets started, because the set of things that has to happen before any particular “caused” event can come about is always infinite. So nothing can ever happen.

That's just intuitive logic, not maths.