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Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:15 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:16 pm
He is proselytising

But aren't all philosophers attempting to convert their oppositions to their own personal sense of what is true? aren't we all guilty of trying to win our side of an argument, and to get the opposition on our side?

Most philosophers have more reason and clear and constructive means of thinking.
His is more like religion.

That's hilarious! If philosophers have been so wise in the past then why is humanity so completely fucked? Where are the answers? What are we supposed to be doing? Because if those answers have been provided:

1. Why are there still philosophers blah blah blahing on and on and on and... ? Where is the concluding answer to the questions? Where is the end of the search? No, it is the voice in your head that is the great deceiver.

2. Why is humanity headed toward hell? There's something incorrect about human consciousness at the most fundamental level. And I have presented it directly, succinctly and clearly, but due to the very state of delusion human consciousness is in, ya'll can't even SEE it! It's exactly like trying to deprogram a cult follower, but in this case EVERYONE (99.99% ish) is in the cult.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:24 pm

Who cares?

Roy, I imagine.

Nope. Don't care.

You say you are free of suffering, so if I take you at your word there is no need for you to "get it".

It is very obvious however.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:24 pm Roy's message about suffering coming to an end is true. He is living testimony of that truth, and so am I

What??
Your suffering came to an end? When was that?

And, God, you could have saved so much time in our conversation. I was pointing out that he was saying if you get it, your suffering will end. All you had to say was that yours had ended and I would have been impressed. But you kept asserting that you were suffering but you got it. And you thought it was ridiculous I was saying what in fact he was saying.

And now you're saying it.

My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore. Nonduality helped me to understand how suffering can come to an end. But I had to get the message, I had to understand it first which was needed before I could understand my suffering will end, and it did, simply because I got it, I got the message, I understood it.

And that is all Roy is saying too, but then I'm sure he will clarify if what I have said, is not how he see it.

True understanding of the teaching will be when the state of effortless thought free awareness is directly experienced. The truth related is not simply an intellectual understanding based upon a system of thought, but of direct experience. The folk here who are having a hard time understanding intellectually are those who have had very little, or no, experience of effortless thought free awareness. So there's a bit of a catch 22 here

Enlightenment is unintermittent Self Awareness. There is a silent, still light of awareness that goes unrecognized, within each of us. We are so constantly outwardly focused on thoughts and sensations and the screen (a combination of both thoughts and sensations on a 2D plane) that the true Self (TAO/0/GOD in the triune model) has been almost completely lost and forgotten.

To free ones ego from the illusion/game, attention must be shifted from thoughts and sensations and onto that stillness between thoughts. The voice in the head (the cult leader) is driving everyone literally mad.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:27 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 pm My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore.

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering, but now on the 25th you are not. Great. So, Roy was probably right. If you get it, you won't suffer. Good for you.
I hope you don't mind if I check in in a couple of weeks to see how you are doing. Because this is important. If watching two videos can end suffering, and not just for 24 hours, this is incredibly important.

You know your attitude and demeanor is reminding me of the Walker character, you are very similar to him in the way you converse with me.

So I'm just warning you now to simmer down, or else you are going to get slapped really hard. Speak to me in respectful manner, or I'll just have to resort to lion's den tactics in order to get through to you.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:31 am

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:57 pm
The "bollocks" you are referring to IS THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MEANING OF THE WORDS "THING" AND "NOTHING". This part of the video is me showing how convoluted, self-referential and paradoxical the current model of "thing"/"nothing, is.

If you can't understand the triune system then you are either a simpleton or intentionally blind. And that model isn't even made up my me; it is an observation of the Fundamental Process, which manifests naturally at the most primary, fundamental level. The only "thing" (wrong usage of "thing", that everyone uses without question) that I made up was the adaptation of "thing" "POTENTIAL" "thought" rather than "some thing" "any thing" "every thing" and "no thing", in order to have it fit within the Fundamental Model of Reality, which is triune in nature, not dualistic.

You can't/refuse to, "get it" BECAUSE YOU ARE BRAINWASHED AND IN A CULT, as is all of humanity.

Roy..you did a brilliant job explaining this investigation INTO THE MEANING OF THE WORDS "THING" AND "NOTHING"

It's a very difficult job to do, but you did it amazingly well, even I was able to grasp it. But only because I've personally been studying the nature of the concept THING and NOTHING..all my life.

I knew very early on in my life that there was something not quite right about what the education system was teaching ...so I decided to educate myself...about life and the universe and the nature of existence and being.

Anyhow, I was completely '''Wowed''' by how you explained this very difficult message... You delivered the message very well. . so I just wanted to let you know that. I hope you continue to keep banging this home, because that's all I'm trying to do here. And I do not care what people think about me, my only mission in life is to get the truth out there to the masses.


The only reason I am doing this is because I AM SO SICK OF THIS FAKE AS FUCK human deluded belief system that has everyone hanging onto like their entire life depended on it.

And just for those who enjoy nitpicking away at peoples personalities....NO personality type is required to UNDERSTAND Roy's message.

It's not like only happy people will understand it...and that miserable fucks will fail to understand it.

The message does not care how you are as a personality...the message is the truth, and that's all there is to know and understand.

Thank you. There are a handful of others that are getting it and they are confirming that it truly is the most profound and important message ever presented to humanity. Once the perspective that is being offered, is seen, well, the vision is Divine. All is understood, especially the WHY. And I'm sure some people here will say that this is the actual cult, but my teaching does not lead to anything but thought free awareness, and how can that state be a state of delusion? A state of delusion is all thought. No thought=no delusion, but rather abidance in/as the natural state of happiness and perfect contentment

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:56 pm
True understanding of the teaching will be when the state of effortless thought free awareness is directly experienced. The truth related is not simply an intellectual understanding based upon a system of thought, but of direct experience. The folk here who are having a hard time understanding intellectually are those who have had very little, or no, experience of effortless thought free awareness. So there's a bit of a catch 22 here

Enlightenment is unintermittent Self Awareness. There is a silent, still light of awareness that goes unrecognized, within each of us. We are so constantly outwardly focused on thoughts and sensations and the screen (a combination of both thoughts and sensations on a 2D plane) that the true Self (TAO/0/GOD in the triune model) has been almost completely lost and forgotten.

To free ones ego from the illusion/game, attention must be shifted from thoughts and sensations and onto that stillness between thoughts. The voice in the head (the cult leader) is driving everyone literally mad.

I agree Roy, I am on this too. I figured out very early as a young child how deluded humans were being. I have suffered at their incapacity to understand themselves in their need to be constantly fighting and arguing with each other, when it doesn't have to be like that. That's not to say that disputes will not arise, they will, but we have to understand how to work through them together as a united team instead of just quitting everytime the going gets rough, it's as though trying to make the peace is too much effort. Most people just quit on trying to make the peace between themselves and others...you can see that in divorce and how most marriages seem to breakdown all too easily, all because people cannot be bothered to work out their differences without splitting themselves apart, and not only themselves, but ruining their childrens lives while they are at it.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:24 pm We are all under the delusion of our culture as a collective hive mind. When you were born, you had no concept of the world into which you were born, you had no belief about it, nor did you even have an identity.

So what happened next?... as soon as you felt the urge in you to communicate with all the other people in your life...you then started to take on a knowledge that your parents were feeding you, including your school education. You became aware of knowledge, and this knowledge was passed onto you from other people and their beliefs about themselves and the world. You took those beliefs on as your own.

That's what Roy was pointing to when he mentioned CULT mentality.

But this is how we are supposed to operate. We are a very social species; we have to create a common culture to survive in the way human beings do, and always have. Bees have the collective hive mind, and they wouldn’t be able to function as bees if they hadn’t. Human beings also have a collective social mind, but it allows for much more individuality than bees enjoy. How happily the individual can exist in his own particular society depends on the nature of the society, and those in control of it, but, for good or bad, societal living is what we are evolved to do; it is our nature.

If I reject the beliefs my own society has passed on to me, and replace them with the beliefs that Roy is offering to me, aren’t I merely just switching “cults”?

Remember, you were born into a system that was already set up by other people beliefs and ideas....that were never your own.

Neither are Roy’s beliefs and ideas my own.

Roy is the messenger of a message...which you the reader can accept or reject to be the truth.

No disrespect to Roy, but I have more confidence in my own ability to figure out the “truth” than I have in his.

Your current mind-set is fixed due to your indoctrination.

Yes, that’s the assumption Roy is also making. I wonder why either of you think you know enough about me to justify coming to such a firm conclusion.

But that which seems to be fixed, can be changed, because there is nothing fixed about anything we think about, everything can be changed

If anything needs to be changed, I will decide how it needs changing, not Roy.

You maybe happy being with the knowledge you have of yourself, or you may want to question the knowledge you have of yourself...but that's up to you,it's your job to know you.

I am always questioning.

Roy's message about suffering coming to an end is true. He is living testimony of that truth, and so am I

I don’t believe for a second that Roy suffers any less than the rest of us. I am puzzled why you just believe what he says without question. And, forgive me for saying this, I do not believe that you don’t experience suffering.

Roy is a fraud, in my opinion, and his “message” and videos are more likely part of a commercial enterprise than a philanthropic mission to save humanity. Again, I can’t help wondering why you just believe what Roy says about himself, especially as I don’t find him the least bit convincing.

Take his appearance, for example: By his unnatural body shape it is clear that he spends a significant amount of time pumping iron, or whatever they call it. Working out at the gym is a trend that has been popular among certain types of men for a while now. It’s a sort of herd mentality; it is going along with the crowd, and suggests a tendency to be influenced by others, which is precisely what he is criticising the rest of us for.

We can only offer that truth as a reality to someone else, but we can never make it true for them. They have to test it out for themselves, but only if they want to...if they are not interested in testing it, then that's fine, they do not have to.

That sounds patronising, in a I-know-better-than-you kind of way.

If you have never suffered in your life anyway, then this message will be of no use to you, but if you have suffered and you would like that suffering to be no more, then the message will maybe of some use to you, but only if you put it to the test first.

Everyone suffers to some extent; it is an unavoidable part of life. We can minimise it by making wiser choices, I suppose, but there are too many things beyond our control to eliminate the possibility of it. The concept of being able to eliminate sadness from your life while retaining your ability to experience happiness seems very suspect to me, and I’m not sure I would want to be in that state even were it achievable.

You are not a failure if you choose not to understand the message.

I don’t choose not to understand it, I choose to dismiss it as a fraud.

failure to be open to having your mind changed about anything you believe to be real, will keep you in your current mind-set, and that's ok.

Again, you are making baseless assumptions about my “mind set.” What do you actually know about my mind set?


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roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:03 pm
Thank you. There are a handful of others that are getting it and they are confirming that it truly is the most profound and important message ever presented to humanity. Once the perspective that is being offered, is seen, well, the vision is Divine. All is understood, especially the WHY. And I'm sure some people here will say that this is the actual cult, but my teaching does not lead to anything but thought free awareness, and how can that state be a state of delusion? A state of delusion is all thought. No thought=no delusion, but rather abidance in/as the natural state of happiness and perfect contentment

I understand Roy...Everything you are saying here has been my own personal experience too.

For me personally, the pain of my divorce and what that felt like was shocking to me, because I am the sort of person that will marry for life, I'm like the slogan ...'' a dog is for life not just for christmas...'' and then to watch how it affected our children we had brought into the world together was the most horrific searing pain I have ever experienced. But just understanding the nondual nature of existence helped me to get through that searing agony of separation...even though today I still bear the scars of that pain..to the point I have recently become an anti-natalist....but that's another long story, so I'll leave that alone.

When I discovered the concept of anti-natalism recently, is when I started wishing I had never been born, because I hate to see people in pain, especially emotional pain, because I know how searing that pain feels, it's totally gut wrenching, it's awful just awful. I never want to go through any pain like that ever again...no body has to go through that sort of pain.

We cannot stop physical pain because that's just unavoidable, but we can stop emotional pain, which can also manifest as severe depression if not treated at the root...once again, nonduality has been my treatment, nothing else. No pills or drugs, just my own common sense to understand myself the nondual way.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:14 pm
But this is how we are supposed to operate.

Yes, I agree, totally agree.

But it's about the end of suffering, not the end of how we operate.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:14 pmThat sounds patronising, in a I-know-better-than-you kind of way.

No, you've only taken it to mean that, when it's not intended to mean that.

The message is not Roy's cult either. Just allow yourself to absorb what is being pointed too, and forget about the messenger.

The message is not trying to get you to believe anything, it's a pointing that does away with all belief systems, it is saying to drop all your beliefs you thought were true just because someone else told you they were true, when only you know what's true..

No one knows more than You Harbal...No one knows any more than anyone else. Knowledge belongs to all of us. Truth belongs to all of us.

The truth is available to all of us all the time...we are the truth all the time, we are the living truth right now.

All we are doing is listening...reading is listening at the same time...and then making up our own mind about what you are hearing as to whether you are vibing with it... If what you are hearing is deeply resonating with you, then what you are hearing is your own truth.

It's like when you see a beautiful woman and you say to yourself, that woman is beautiful, all you are doing is seeing the beauty that is in your own being and projecting at her. That's all we are doing, all our projections of others are a projection of ourself.

Nope. Don't care.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:44 pm

No, you've only taken it to mean that, when it's not intended to mean that.

The message is not Roy's cult either. Just allow yourself to absorb what is being pointed too, and forget about the messenger.

The message is not trying to get you to believe anything, it's a pointing that does away with all belief systems, it is saying to drop all your beliefs you thought were true just because someone else told you they were true, when only you know what's true..

No one knows more than You Harbal...No one knows any more than anyone else. Knowledge belongs to all of us. Truth belongs to all of us.

The truth is available to all of us all the time...we are the truth all the time, we are the living truth right now.

All we are doing is listening...reading is listening at the same time...and then making up our own mind about what you are hearing as to whether you are vibing with it... If what you are hearing is deeply resonating with you, then what you are hearing is your own truth.

It's like when you see a beautiful woman and you say to yourself, that woman is beautiful, all you are doing is seeing the beauty that is in your own being and projecting at her. That's all we are doing, all our projections of others are a projection of ourself.

For you to say this to me suggests that you think I am in need of it being said to me. What is it about the way I live my life, or the things you assume me to believe that makes you think I need to be made aware of something?

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:53 pm
For you to say this to me suggests that you think I am in need of it being said to me. What is it about the way I live my life, or the things you assume me to believe that makes you think I need to be made aware of something?

But you are the one who was curious to come to this thread, already knowing the title of the thread.

I'm simply responding to your comments...no thing needs to be said, until there is a two way conversation being held.

If you are going to involve yourself in a topic, then go with the flow, there is no need to analyse personalities to death, just leave that outside the door on entry.

Never mind Harbal, speak about the topic subject, I do not want to get into personal semantics.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:53 pm
For you to say this to me suggests that you think I am in need of it being said to me.

Is that what you used to say to your school teachers? or did you just sit there at your desk and listen?

We all have something to teach. But are we listening, we are listening when we think we are getting something, otherwise we switch off, and resort to daydreaming. I listened to my teachers, even though half the time I had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.

That's when I decided to re-educate myself.

Knowledge is either useful for you, or it isn't. No one cares.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:57 pm But you are the one who was curious to come to this thread, already knowing the title of the thread.

Curiosity is what leads me to look at all the threads I look at, but curiosity is not the reason for my response to it. I responded because I disapprove of the nature of the thread. I see a forum like this as a place for exchanging ideas and arguing about ideas, but not for preaching ideas in an effort to convert people into your own way of thinking. The opening post in this thread made a negative assertion about people, so, by implication, about me. To my mind, that makes the thread and it's author fair game for criticism.