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Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:51 pm 38,200 dead (and counting), the largest fatality statistic on earth.

And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:35 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:43 am

34,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.

That was a very early assessment based on information from WHO.

False.
Trump said this when the whole world was belting up for the long haul.
He's still acting like a twat, by trying to grant states autonomy rather than encouraging them to listen to the facts.

Btw, the largest numbers of Covid19 and deaths are from Democrats controlled districts

You mean places that lack health insurance and have higher degrees of poverty and overcrowding.
Duh fucking duh.

and the Federal government do not have sole control over them. Yes, the President is ultimately responsible but in the political arena such as US politics, the brunt of the responsibility in this case rest on the respective Governors.

37,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.

• Did Trump Botch the Coronavirus Response?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVvf8DDxmi8
  As the coronavirus outbreak that began in Wuhan, China spreads through the United States, President Donald Trump has been accused of botching the response, ignoring the advice of experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci, and failing to provide the Americans or the CDC with the medical equipment they need—like face masks and ventilators—to protect themselves. But do the facts back up the claims of the mainstream media?

Btw, the largest numbers of Covid19 and deaths are from Democrats controlled districts

You mean places that lack health insurance and have higher degrees of poverty and overcrowding.
Duh fucking duh.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.

No. That’s a manager.

• Management (or managing) is the administration of an organization, whether it is a business, a not-for-profit organization, or government body.
  Management includes the activities of setting the strategy of an organization and coordinating the efforts of its employees (or of volunteers) to accomplish its objectives through the application of available resources, such as financial, natural, technological, and human resources.
  The term "management" may also refer to those people who manage an organization - individually: managers.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Trump was elected by the Electoral College with a minority of the voters. He won the election. He simply was not the choice of the majority of voters.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:37 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.

No. That’s a manager.

A manager is a leader, but then not all leaders are managers.

A leader of a religious cult for example is not a manager per se, but merely leads a group of people by emotional impulses.
A leader of a gang is not a manager, but is a leader to anyone who want to follow him.

A manager on the other hand is very specific in relation to some sort of organization;

• Management (or managing) is the administration of an organization, whether it is a business, a not-for-profit organization, or government body.
  Management includes the activities of setting the strategy of an organization and coordinating the efforts of its employees (or of volunteers) to accomplish its objectives through the application of available resources, such as financial, natural, technological, and human resources.
  The term "management" may also refer to those people who manage an organization - individually: managers.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Trump was elected by the Electoral College with a minority of the voters. He won the election. He simply was not the choice of the majority of voters.

Note my point in reply to Lacewing on the same;

It is a strawman and that is a fallacy of equivocation.
Again you are not objective.
Trump won the election by the rules defining 'what is the majority' based on the Electoral College system which had been deliberated to be fair long ago, taken into account various circumstances, enacted in the Constitution.

If the criteria for winning is based on popular votes,
those competing would have changed to different strategies to win.

When based on electoral college, many [not so fanatical voters] from the strong majority districts may not have bothered to vote because they know the other fanatical voters will vote and they are sure to win.
If based on popular votes, then the strategies will be changed by each side who will takes steps to ensure everyone [100%] goes to vote.
They might even rent ambulance to take the sick and in nursing homes to vote and other extreme measures.

In this case and the election was officially based on popular instead of the electoral college, how sure are you that Hilary would have won if the rules are based on the popular votes?
Point is you cannot make any conclusion bute you are equivocating and conflating here.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:55 pm I stated at least a month ago - that the US IS gonna be FUCKED from this..

AND...What is the US - FUCKED!

When the health system is geared to what the U$ is ALL about - GETIN FUKIN RICH!!

Their attempted dictator -President CHUMP (Trump - 4 the hard of thinkin) has spent the initial part of the pandemic - blowing rose petals that everything is fine - up the DUMB ARSE US CITIZENS BACKSIDE - ........................AND THEY SUCKED IT UP. (as usual - lots of flag waving - we're the GREATEST..WE'RE THE BEST bla bla wank wank....etc...etc..)
INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY PUTTING IN A PLAN ...ALL THE INDIVIDUAL STATES HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO OUTBID EACH OTHER FOR MEDICAL RESOURCES!!!

U$ - as i said - ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!

Now.
How do you get rich from a pandemic - - there are plenty of their (U$) politicians in bed with current KEY medical suppliers THAT R gettin richer - soon ONE of them will be RICH enough to RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!

It appears the U$ reality for their population has been dumbed down to the extent that their citizens can no longer distinguish between what is make believe and what is REAL.

...and now they are PROTESTING AND FLAG WAVING - punching their fists in the air IN DEFIANCE - HOW DARE someone tell me to stay away from other idiots just because it WILL KILL MOST OF MY OVERWEIGHT DIABETIC CARDIOVASCULAR FUCKED FAMILY!!!

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:07 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:37 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:14 pm
No. That’s a manager.

A manager is a leader, but then not all leaders are managers.

A leader of a religious cult for example is not a manager per se, but merely leads a group of people by emotional impulses.
A leader of a gang is not a manager, but is a leader to anyone who want to follow him.

A manager on the other hand is very specific in relation to some sort of organization;

• Management (or managing) is the administration of an organization, whether it is a business, a not-for-profit organization, or government body.
  Management includes the activities of setting the strategy of an organization and coordinating the efforts of its employees (or of volunteers) to accomplish its objectives through the application of available resources, such as financial, natural, technological, and human resources.
  The term "management" may also refer to those people who manage an organization - individually: managers.

Trump was elected by the Electoral College with a minority of the voters. He won the election. He simply was not the choice of the majority of voters.

Note my point in reply to Lacewing on the same;

It is a strawman and that is a fallacy of equivocation.
Again you are not objective.
Trump won the election by the rules defining 'what is the majority' based on the Electoral College system which had been deliberated to be fair long ago, taken into account various circumstances, enacted in the Constitution.

If the criteria for winning is based on popular votes,
those competing would have changed to different strategies to win.

When based on electoral college, many [not so fanatical voters] from the strong majority districts may not have bothered to vote because they know the other fanatical voters will vote and they are sure to win.
If based on popular votes, then the strategies will be changed by each side who will takes steps to ensure everyone [100%] goes to vote.
They might even rent ambulance to take the sick and in nursing homes to vote and other extreme measures.

In this case and the election was officially based on popular instead of the electoral college, how sure are you that Hilary would have won if the rules are based on the popular votes?
Point is you cannot make any conclusion bute you are equivocating and conflating here.

It is not a straw man argument. Trump did indeed win by the rules, however the rules specify a unique definition of the majority. I have refuted your initial argument that if Trump were objectively unsuitable he would not have been supported by a majority of the voters. I have not attempted to refute your argument once you moved the goalposts to include the Electoral College in defense of your bastardization of the word, majority. You are the one who conflated majority with majority according to the rules of the Electoral College. As such it is no equivocation to demand that the difference be maintained. One might even say that your argument is subjective in that you selected a specific case of majority not included in its objective meaning. You cannot claim that Trump won by an actual, absolute majority.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:37 am Trump won the election by the rules defining 'what is the majority' based on the Electoral College system which had been deliberated to be fair long ago, taken into account various circumstances, enacted in the Constitution.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:37 amIf the criteria for winning is based on popular votes,
those competing would have changed to different strategies to win.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:55 pm It appears the U$ reality for their population has been dumbed down to the extent that their citizens can no longer distinguish between what is make believe and what is REAL.

...and now they are PROTESTING AND FLAG WAVING - punching their fists in the air IN DEFIANCE - HOW DARE someone tell me to stay away from other idiots just because it WILL KILL MOST OF MY OVERWEIGHT DIABETIC CARDIOVASCULAR FUCKED FAMILY!!!

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:34 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:12 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:06 am Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present...

There is likely a much larger picture to consider, in which Trump is the fallout from a larger psychosis that is playing out. That does not make him respectable or worthy or effective. People have to be smarter than to follow stagnant patterns and to excuse obvious liars and idiots. Such probably IS the deeper psychosis revealing itself and coming to a head... hopefully to be transformed and evolved beyond.

As posted above,

As I had stated we need to be professional and objective in this case regarding the leader of a nation, i.e. perform an employee appraisal on the person in alignment with his terms of employment to arrive at a judgment rather than jumping to conclusion hastily based on confirmation bias and cognitive dissonances.

I am sure, if Trump at the end of his 4 years tenure has performed [based on objective measurements] reasonably well within his terms of employment, e.g. financial, military, social, peace, health, citizen well-being, security, etc.
you will still dig up something from somewhere to bash Trump.
The problem is with the Trump Basher who had suffered Trump Derangement Syndrome from cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:14 am In any appraisal of performance one cannot expect perfection.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:31 am I believed you are blinded to note, Trump is MERELY a government employee who had signed a contract with the US Government for the stated terms to perform in accordance his the terms of employment as President of the USA.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:31 am
Trump is MERELY a government employee...