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Re: Trump's failed leadership

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commonsense wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:05 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:06 am
commonsense wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:05 pm

A leader is always prepared, stakes his honor on doing his duty to his constituents, keeping himself morally straight, physically strong and mentally awake, and on helping others at all possible times. A leader is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, knows how to be a follower, is cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. A leader always leads by example. A leader focuses on two valuable priorities: the welfare of his constituents and the accomplishment of their goals. A leader is never self-glorifying, self-centered or self-infatuated. A leader is not narcissistic, pompous or smug. A leader must not be egomaniacal, vain or conceited. A leader has tendencies to be selfless, generous, warm-hearted, beneficent, charitable, altruistic, valorous, gallant, unswerving and reassuring.

Trump is no leader.
A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.
leader = the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.
-Google dictionary
In the case of the President of the USA, his leadership and objectives are defined within his 'signed and agreed' terms of employment.

Before the leader is chosen, his moral character may count.
But after the leader is chosen, his moral characters and other not so pleasant traits are put aside [assumed to be accepted to a degree] and the focus is then on whether the leader can lead the group, organization, or country to the agreed objectives within his terms of employment with his employer.
Most people are not mindful of the above points bolded.

I did extensive and was very into 'leadership theory,'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership
One of the types of leadership is 'Situational Leadership' where the moral character of the leader is not the most critical but rather his abilities to perform "optimally" within the specific situations, note;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadershi ... y_theories
Note this fact and requirement for a leader in the specific situation;
Individuals who take on leadership roles in turbulent situations, such as groups facing a threat or ones in which status is determined by intense competition among rivals within the group, tend to be narcissistic: arrogant, self-absorbed, hostile, and very self-confident.
-wiki


Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present.
If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.
Google, Wikipedia and you have described one who is in charge, but a leader connotes much more.
How much more?
So much as to be perfect?
Who set the limit and criteria?

As I had stated we need to be professional and objective in this case regarding the leader of a nation, i.e. perform an employee appraisal on the person in alignment with his terms of employment to arrive at a judgment rather than jumping to conclusion hastily based on confirmation bias and cognitive dissonances.

Here is an interesting note;
I presumed he meant if Biden is President, Biden would be working for him.
Thus he is entitled to do an Employee Appraisal on Biden.

Now that Trump is President, he is 'working' [under employment] to all Citizens of the USA, thus an objective Employee Appraisal should be done on Trump via due process by anyone who want to judge Trump's performance as the President.
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Lacewing wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:12 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:06 am Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present...
There is likely a much larger picture to consider, in which Trump is the fallout from a larger psychosis that is playing out. That does not make him respectable or worthy or effective. People have to be smarter than to follow stagnant patterns and to excuse obvious liars and idiots. Such probably IS the deeper psychosis revealing itself and coming to a head... hopefully to be transformed and evolved beyond.
As posted above,

As I had stated we need to be professional and objective in this case regarding the leader of a nation, i.e. perform an employee appraisal on the person in alignment with his terms of employment to arrive at a judgment rather than jumping to conclusion hastily based on confirmation bias and cognitive dissonances.

I am sure, if Trump at the end of his 4 years tenure has performed [based on objective measurements] reasonably well within his terms of employment, e.g. financial, military, social, peace, health, citizen well-being, security, etc.
you will still dig up something from somewhere to bash Trump.
The problem is with the Trump Basher who had suffered Trump Derangement Syndrome from cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.
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Re: Trump's failed leadership

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Lacewing wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:38 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:05 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:06 am Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present.
If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.
Google, Wikipedia and you have described one who is in charge, but a leader connotes much more.
How much of a leader is one who the majority of people do not follow? The majority of Americans voted for someone else -- they do NOT follow Trump's insanity. He is in the position for reasons that have nothing to do with ability, and very little to do with truth.
It is a strawman and that is a fallacy of equivocation.
Again you are not objective.
Trump won the election by the rules defining 'what is the majority' based on the Electoral College system which had been deliberated to be fair long ago and taken into account various circumstances.

If the criteria for winning is based on popular votes,
those competing would have changed to different strategies to win.

When based on electoral college, many [not so fanatical voters] from the strong majority districts may not have bothered to vote because they know the other fanatical voters will vote and they are sure to win.
If based on popular votes, then the strategies will be changed by each side who will takes steps to ensure everyone [100%] goes to vote.
They might even rent ambulance to take the sick and in nursing homes to vote and other extreme measures.

In this case and the election was officially based on popular instead of the electoral college, how sure are you that Hilary would have won if the rules are based on the popular votes?
Point is you cannot make any conclusion but you are equivocating and conflating here.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:47 am
Lacewing wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:38 pm How much of a leader is one who the majority of people do not follow?
Trump won the election by the rules defining 'what is the majority' based on the Electoral College system
The only one with a "syndrome" here is you, as you imagine yourself to be objective and professional while you completely skew points that are made, in order that they align with what you think. You do not integrate valid information, you just keep harping on OTHER people needing to provide an objective assessment, which you yourself have completely failed to do.
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Lacewing wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:47 am
Lacewing wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:38 pm How much of a leader is one who the majority of people do not follow?
Trump won the election by the rules defining 'what is the majority' based on the Electoral College system
The only one with a "syndrome" here is you, as you imagine yourself to be objective and professional while you completely skew points that are made, in order that they align with what you think. You do not integrate valid information, you just keep harping on OTHER people needing to provide an objective assessment, which you yourself have completely failed to do.
Failed to do what?

As I had stated, I did not jump to any final conclusion as to whether Trump is definitely performing well at present.
What I had suggested is, in order to make good judgment on whether Trump has done his job, we need to do an Employee Appraisal of Trump in alignment with his contractual terms of his employment contract.

I believed you are blinded to note, Trump is MERELY a government employee who had signed a contract with the US Government for the stated terms to perform in accordance his the terms of employment as President of the USA.

I believe you are barking up the wrong tree on this Trump Bashing [Trumophobia] business.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am
Sculptor wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:43 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:42 am
Your "ROTFLMFHO" and "funny" is unnecessary and they indicate some sort of subliminal acknowledgement of your internal weakness.
What count are verified sound arguments supported by evidences.

You are jumping to conclusion that the money will go to cronies.
I predicted 'likely'. Because it is politics, it is very common for 'birds of feather' to go together.
BUT as I had stated I prefer to be objective and will rely on the evidence to make the final conclusion whether whatever action is taken thereafter is evil or not.
34,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
That was a very early assessment based on information from WHO.
False.
Trump said this when the whole world was belting up for the long haul.
He's still acting like a twat, by trying to grant states autonomy rather than encouraging them to listen to the facts.
Btw, the largest numbers of Covid19 and deaths are from Democrats controlled districts
You mean places that lack health insurance and have higher degrees of poverty and overcrowding.
Duh fucking duh.
and the Federal government do not have sole control over them. Yes, the President is ultimately responsible but in the political arena such as US politics, the brunt of the responsibility in this case rest on the respective Governors.

37,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
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Sculptor wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:35 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am
Sculptor wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:43 am

34,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
That was a very early assessment based on information from WHO.
False.
Trump said this when the whole world was belting up for the long haul.
He's still acting like a twat, by trying to grant states autonomy rather than encouraging them to listen to the facts.
Btw, the largest numbers of Covid19 and deaths are from Democrats controlled districts
You mean places that lack health insurance and have higher degrees of poverty and overcrowding.
Duh fucking duh.
and the Federal government do not have sole control over them. Yes, the President is ultimately responsible but in the political arena such as US politics, the brunt of the responsibility in this case rest on the respective Governors.

37,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
The UK's is a lot higher you stupid twat. You do realise that the US' population is 5 times that of the whole of the UK don't you? The UK's death to infection ratio is a lot higher than the US'. As for China (oooh, is it racist to say that word?), it doesn't even release its figures, leaving much of the information blank except for a ridiculously low death and infection rate.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:27 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:35 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am
That was a very early assessment based on information from WHO.
False.
Trump said this when the whole world was belting up for the long haul.
He's still acting like a twat, by trying to grant states autonomy rather than encouraging them to listen to the facts.
Btw, the largest numbers of Covid19 and deaths are from Democrats controlled districts
You mean places that lack health insurance and have higher degrees of poverty and overcrowding.
Duh fucking duh.
and the Federal government do not have sole control over them. Yes, the President is ultimately responsible but in the political arena such as US politics, the brunt of the responsibility in this case rest on the respective Governors.

37,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
The UK's is a lot higher you stupid twat. You do realise that the US' population is 5 times that of the whole of the UK don't you?
Whataboutery.
1) UK started earlier.
2) I did not say that the UK was doing any better.
3) Fuck off you c u n t
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henry quirk wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:36 am
I hired Trump to wreck shit, plain and simple... Some, like me, hired him as hand grenade...

Anarchists!

henry quirk wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:36 am Can't be bothered to worry about the other guy's reasonings.

The intention of government is to allow each of us to live amicably among other guys without them infringing on us or what’s ours.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.

No. That’s a manager.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Trump was elected by the Electoral College with a minority of the voters. He won the election. He simply was not the choice of the majority of voters.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am How much more?
So much as to be perfect?
Who set the limit and criteria?

Don’t play dumb.
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He simply was not the choice of the majority of voters.

He lost the pop vote by, supposedly, three million, all out of California where illegal aliens get to vote.

Big stink was made about dumpin' the EC and recounts and whatnot: seems, however, when them vote recounts in other states started, H Clinton lost by even more. Recounts never happened in California. Wonder what might have come of such a thing if a recount had happened in Sunny Cali: would H Clinton have gained or lost votes?

Anyway: since then, there's been little talk about dumpin' the EC or about Clinton's pop vote victory (mebbe cuz that pop vote victory ought not be looked at too closely...).
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commonsense wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:14 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.

No. That’s a manager.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Trump was elected by the Electoral College with a minority of the voters. He won the election. He simply was not the choice of the majority of voters.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 am How much more?
So much as to be perfect?
Who set the limit and criteria?

Don’t play dumb.
Trump got 62,984,828 voting for him out of a possible 235,248,000 registered voters.
Clinton got 65,853,514 which is 2,868,686 more than Trump.
Combined voters 128,838,342
Together the dissatisfied outweigh the both of them, because around half (106,409,658)
the registered voters did not think either one of them was worth putting a cross on a piece of paper.
This is not a ringing endorsement of of either Trump or the US political system.

So lets not kid ourselves that Trump has a mandate from the people.
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38,200 dead (and counting), the largest fatality statistic on earth.

And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
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Sculptor wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:23 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:27 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:35 am
False.
Trump said this when the whole world was belting up for the long haul.
He's still acting like a twat, by trying to grant states autonomy rather than encouraging them to listen to the facts.


You mean places that lack health insurance and have higher degrees of poverty and overcrowding.
Duh fucking duh.



37,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.
The UK's is a lot higher you stupid twat. You do realise that the US' population is 5 times that of the whole of the UK don't you?
Whataboutery.
1) UK started earlier.
2) I did not say that the UK was doing any better.
3) Fuck off you c u n t
The Wuhan China virus originated in CHINA yet CHINA claims to have nearly TEN TIMES FEWER cases and deaths than the US, and all with the largest and most jam packed population, and habit of 'gifting' the world with new viruses due to its condoning of repulsive and unhygienic slaughtering practices and complete disregard for the animal kingdom in general. 'If it moves, eat it. If it doesn't move, buy it'.
So terribly sorry if those FACTS upset your 'sensitive and tenderhearted' self-serving PC fuckturd sensibilities. We all know that you are a gigantic kunt who is no more 'sensitive' to his fellow humans than Chinese govts. are.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16940861

2006 Oct;19(5):401-7.
Infectious diseases emerging from Chinese wet-markets: zoonotic origins of severe respiratory viral infections.
Woo PC1, Lau SK, Yuen KY.
Author information
Abstract
PURPOSE OF REVIEW:
In China, close contacts between humans and food animals have resulted in the transmission of many microbes from animals to humans. The two most notable infectious diseases in recent years are severe acute respiratory syndrome and avian influenza. In this review, these two severe zoonotic viral infections transmitted by the respiratory route, with pandemic potential, are used as models to illustrate the role of Chinese wet-markets in their emergence, amplification and dissemination.

RECENT FINDINGS:
Two research groups independently discovered the presence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-like viruses in horseshoe bats. An astonishing diversity of coronaviruses was also discovered in different species of bats. For the recent and still ongoing avian influenza H5N1 outbreak that originated in Southeast Asia, from 2003 to 21 April 2006, 204 humans have been infected, with 113 deaths. Most patients had recent direct contacts with poultry.

SUMMARY:
In Chinese wet-markets, unique epicenters for transmission of potential viral pathogens, new genes may be acquired or existing genes modified through various mechanisms such as genetic reassortment, recombination and mutation. The wet-markets, at closer proximity to humans, with high viral burden or strains of higher transmission efficiency, facilitate transmission of the viruses to humans.



PC fuckturds like 'sculptor' are the most dangerous political entity in the world today. They are also the stupidest and most hypocritical.
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