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popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 1:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 5:44 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 5:17 am

I have no idea what that might mean. To be the point of consciousness is to be the centre of your own universe, as every organism is.

Real simple, void in the relative sense exists through the universe by degree of change. For something to occur something else must be absent. If void is the center of consciousness, and the relative nature of void occurs everywhere by the degree of change of things, existence is ever-present consciousness.

Please expand on this, give me an idea of what means you have come by this understanding. Are you saying that the degree of change creates the void? How do you come to the idea that the void is the centre of consciousness? I understand you are questing here, but I still find it difficult to follow or make sense of.

We know things only by change for change allows distinction by the emergence and dissolution of limits and limits are required for things to occur, with limit being a thing.

Change requires potentiality for actualization. A car can only move from point A to point B if there is a space to do so, an absence of specific things, in this case a tree another car, etc.

Because change requires potentiality, and potentiality is an absence of actualized things, this change requires a relative void to as to occur. Potentiality as the absence of actuality as potentiality as void.

Now attention, through consciousness, is the potential for change as the act of attention is the point of change for the observer. It is the potential by which things occur in experiential reality.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 6:15 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 1:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 5:44 am

Real simple, void in the relative sense exists through the universe by degree of change. For something to occur something else must be absent. If void is the center of consciousness, and the relative nature of void occurs everywhere by the degree of change of things, existence is ever-present consciousness.

Please expand on this, give me an idea of what means you have come by this understanding. Are you saying that the degree of change creates the void? How do you come to the idea that the void is the centre of consciousness? I understand you are questing here, but I still find it difficult to follow or make sense of.

We know things only by change for change allows distinction by the emergence and dissolution of limits and limits are required for things to occur, with limit being a thing. Change requires potentiality for actualization. A car can only move from point A to point B if there is a space to do so, an absence of specific things, in this case, a tree another car, etc. Because change requires potentiality, and potentiality is an absence of actualized things, this change requires a relative void to as to occur. Potentiality as the absence of actuality as potentiality as void.
Now attention, through consciousness, is the potential for change as the act of attention is the point of change for the observer. It is the potential by which things occur in experiential reality.

We know things from the physical world and its energies alter our biological state, this is experiencing, and the understanding of those experiences we call meanings. All things in motion provide potential for change. All things have the potential for change; we know this by the fact that all things do change except change itself. Change and motion perhaps two sides of coin. All things/beings are cause to all other things/beings and the reactions of those other beings are in turn caused to the outside world. Cause and reaction in mutual reciprocation.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:51 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 6:15 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 1:56 pm

Please expand on this, give me an idea of what means you have come by this understanding. Are you saying that the degree of change creates the void? How do you come to the idea that the void is the centre of consciousness? I understand you are questing here, but I still find it difficult to follow or make sense of.

We know things only by change for change allows distinction by the emergence and dissolution of limits and limits are required for things to occur, with limit being a thing. Change requires potentiality for actualization. A car can only move from point A to point B if there is a space to do so, an absence of specific things, in this case, a tree another car, etc. Because change requires potentiality, and potentiality is an absence of actualized things, this change requires a relative void to as to occur. Potentiality as the absence of actuality as potentiality as void.
Now attention, through consciousness, is the potential for change as the act of attention is the point of change for the observer. It is the potential by which things occur in experiential reality.

We know things from the physical world and its energies alter our biological state, this is experiencing, and the understanding of those experiences we call meanings. All things in motion provide potential for change. All things have the potential for change; we know this by the fact that all things do change except change itself. Change and motion perhaps two sides of coin. All things/beings are cause to all other things/beings and the reactions of those other beings are in turn caused to the outside world. Cause and reaction in mutual reciprocation.

All all things are cause to all things then you cannot relegate experience to be purely biological phenomena for the act of change is experience by degree of the distinctions it results in.

Non-organic things give rise to experience, they are a cause of it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:53 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:51 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 6:15 pm

We know things only by change for change allows distinction by the emergence and dissolution of limits and limits are required for things to occur, with limit being a thing. Change requires potentiality for actualization. A car can only move from point A to point B if there is a space to do so, an absence of specific things, in this case, a tree another car, etc. Because change requires potentiality, and potentiality is an absence of actualized things, this change requires a relative void to as to occur. Potentiality as the absence of actuality as potentiality as void.
Now attention, through consciousness, is the potential for change as the act of attention is the point of change for the observer. It is the potential by which things occur in experiential reality.

We know things from the physical world and its energies alter our biological state, this is experiencing, and the understanding of those experiences we call meanings. All things in motion provide potential for change. All things have the potential for change; we know this by the fact that all things do change except change itself. Change and motion perhaps two sides of coin. All things/beings are cause to all other things/beings and the reactions of those other beings are in turn caused to the outside world. Cause and reaction in mutual reciprocation.

All all things are cause to all things then you cannot relegate experience to be purely biological phenomena for the act of change is experience by degree of the distinctions it results in. Non-organic things give rise to experience.

Yes, you can relegate experience to purely biological phenomena. Life forms, as far as we know, are the only source of experience/knowledge, for biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Nothing in the physical world has meaning in and of itself, but only in relation to biological consciousness, a biological subject. The non-organic physical world affects organic biology, altering it, changing it. This is what is experienced by all life forms, so yes, the physical non-organic world is the source of the stimulus that causes experiences in all life forms.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:02 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:53 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:51 am

We know things from the physical world and its energies alter our biological state, this is experiencing, and the understanding of those experiences we call meanings. All things in motion provide potential for change. All things have the potential for change; we know this by the fact that all things do change except change itself. Change and motion perhaps two sides of coin. All things/beings are cause to all other things/beings and the reactions of those other beings are in turn caused to the outside world. Cause and reaction in mutual reciprocation.

All all things are cause to all things then you cannot relegate experience to be purely biological phenomena for the act of change is experience by degree of the distinctions it results in. Non-organic things give rise to experience.

Yes, you can relegate experience to purely biological phenomena. Life forms, as far as we know, are the only source of experience/knowledge, for biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Nothing in the physical world has meaning in and of itself, but only in relation to biological consciousness, a biological subject.

Change is meaning for change necessitates a thing is directed beyond itself. The whole universe is subject to change, the whole universe is subject to meaning. Molecules are what gives biology meaning, for meaning cannot occur without molecules.

Inorganic phenomena allow biological meaning assertion to occur.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:19 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:02 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:53 am

All all things are cause to all things then you cannot relegate experience to be purely biological phenomena for the act of change is experience by degree of the distinctions it results in. Non-organic things give rise to experience.

Yes, you can relegate experience to purely biological phenomena. Life forms, as far as we know, are the only source of experience/knowledge, for biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Nothing in the physical world has meaning in and of itself, but only in relation to biological consciousness, a biological subject.

Change is meaning for change necessitates a thing is directed beyond itself. The whole universe is subject to change, the whole universe is subject to meaning. Molecules are what gives biology meaning, for meaning cannot occur without molecules.

Inorganic phenomena allow biological meaning assertion to occur.

Yes, the physical world is inorganic, and in philosophy, it is termed the object of the subject's consciousness and is the source of stimulation, altering/ changing the biology of the conscious subject. This is what life forms experience, and experience is knowledge. I am finished, good luck.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:31 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:19 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:02 am

Yes, you can relegate experience to purely biological phenomena. Life forms, as far as we know, are the only source of experience/knowledge, for biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Nothing in the physical world has meaning in and of itself, but only in relation to biological consciousness, a biological subject.

Change is meaning for change necessitates a thing is directed beyond itself. The whole universe is subject to change, the whole universe is subject to meaning. Molecules are what gives biology meaning, for meaning cannot occur without molecules.

Inorganic phenomena allow biological meaning assertion to occur.

Yes, the physical world is inorganic, and in philosophy, it is termed the object of the subject's consciousness and is the source of stimulation, altering/ changing the biology of the conscious subject. This is what life forms experience, and experience is knowledge. I am finished, good luck.

If it, the physical world, alters the biology than meaning cannot be derived purely from what is organic for it changes the biology and with that the output of meaning.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:45 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:31 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:19 am

Change is meaning for change necessitates a thing is directed beyond itself. The whole universe is subject to change, the whole universe is subject to meaning. Molecules are what gives biology meaning, for meaning cannot occur without molecules.

Inorganic phenomena allow biological meaning assertion to occur.

Yes, the physical world is inorganic, and in philosophy, it is termed the object of the subject's consciousness and is the source of stimulation, altering/ changing the biology of the conscious subject. This is what life forms experience, and experience is knowledge. I am finished, good luck.

If it, the physical world, alters the biology than meaning cannot be derived purely from what is organic for it changes the biology and with that the output of meaning.

Experiences and meanings are bodily functions after being affected/changed by the physical world.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:45 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:31 am

Yes, the physical world is inorganic, and in philosophy, it is termed the object of the subject's consciousness and is the source of stimulation, altering/ changing the biology of the conscious subject. This is what life forms experience, and experience is knowledge. I am finished, good luck.

If it, the physical world, alters the biology than meaning cannot be derived purely from what is organic for it changes the biology and with that the output of meaning.

Experiences and meanings are bodily functions after being affected/changed by the physical world.

Bodily functions are the physical world, the distinction between both is not necessary.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 11:28 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:45 am

If it, the physical world, alters the biology than meaning cannot be derived purely from what is organic for it changes the biology and with that the output of meaning.

Experiences and meanings are bodily functions after being affected/changed by the physical world.

Bodily functions are the physical world, the distinction between both is not necessary.

Have a good one!