The Worst of All Possible Worlds

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Walker wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:03 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:16 pm So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
“You see father, by creating a little destruction, I’m in fact encouraging life.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Bn3OwgOyU
Indeed.

You kill a lot of life to maintain yours.

Life thrives off of death.

Seems you missed the mark as far as understanding my views.
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Greatest I am wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:01 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:03 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:16 pm So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
“You see father, by creating a little destruction, I’m in fact encouraging life.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Bn3OwgOyU
Indeed.

You kill a lot of life to maintain yours.

Life thrives off of death.

Seems you missed the mark as far as understanding my views.
And you missed the most important (greatest) thing said in this thread, namely ...
In other words, the earth could be the only place in the universe where human life exists.
(The Supreme Ordering Principle of the Universe sequenced the acids.)

In other words, the earth could be The Garden of Eden in a universe otherwise devoid of intelligent life.
Feynman veers out of his lane when saying that the possibility of life limited to earth isn’t “in proportion.” This is because views of God’s proportionality are by definition predetermined by a “provincial” view, provincial when compared to presuming the big picture.

The big picture could well be earth as the source of human life, at the cusp of colonizing the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhBcLk_8f0
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Greatest I am wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:01 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:03 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:16 pm So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
“You see father, by creating a little destruction, I’m in fact encouraging life.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Bn3OwgOyU
Indeed.

You kill a lot of life to maintain yours.

Life thrives off of death.

Seems you missed the mark as far as understanding my views.
At the end of the video clip, the priest calls Zorg a monster ... because in practice Zorg equates a little destruction, with murder. Some say murder is the ultimate sin. Aim high. Redrum, Tony.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 5:23 pm I therefore conclude that God is not benevolent to human beings.
Let's crucify Him for this!
How do you like this idea?
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phyllo wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:54 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 11:35 am
phyllo wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 8:42 pm In this world, the majority of people are not sick, not starving, not enslaved, not being tortured ...

Every imagined world where more people are suffering is worse than this world.

It could be much, much worse.

Be grateful for the good that there is.
So am I to be grateful that only some inordinately suffer in this world? I should be thankful that I'm not as bad off as they are? Wouldn't it be a better world if no one suffered at all? And is it not the case that the inordinate suffering of some is used to justify the lesser suffering of the majority? And who are those who don't suffer at all? Are they perhaps people who don't care at all about the suffering of others? I mean, who can have joy when there are others suffering horribly?
First off, you said that this is the "worst of all possible worlds" and that it's "designed to maximize despair". Clearly that is not true because one can think of worse worlds with more despair.
So am I to be grateful that only some inordinately suffer in this world? I should be thankful that I'm not as bad off as they are?
Well, yes. It would give you a more realistic evaluation of the world and your own life.
Wouldn't it be a better world if no one suffered at all?
Sure, but that's not the world that exists.
And is it not the case that the inordinate suffering of some is used to justify the lesser suffering of the majority?
How so? Who is doing this justification?
And who are those who don't suffer at all?
Probably none or very few but there are degrees of suffering. It's not black and white.
Are they perhaps people who don't care at all about the suffering of others?
Non-attachment can be the road to reduced suffering and "not caring" is a form of non-attachment, so that's possibly a partial reason.
I mean, who can have joy when there are others suffering horribly?
Denying yourself joy is not helping those who suffer.

You're just increasing your own suffering and therefore increasing the total suffering in the world.
Fair enough. If your world is better, then good for you.
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Janoah wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 5:30 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 5:23 pm I therefore conclude that God is not benevolent to human beings.
Let's crucify Him for this!
How do you like this idea?
Haha. :roll:
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Fair enough. If your world is better, then good for you.
Same world. But I have different thoughts about it.
Does a gratitude journal work?

Yes, a gratitude journal can be effective for many people. Research suggests that regularly writing down things you are grateful for can enhance overall well-being, increase happiness, and reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety. Here are some key benefits:

Increased Positivity: Focusing on positive aspects of life can shift your mindset and improve your outlook.
Improved Mental Health: Studies have shown that gratitude practices can lead to lower levels of stress and depression.
Better Sleep: Writing in a gratitude journal before bed can help improve sleep quality by promoting positive thoughts.
Enhanced Relationships: Expressing gratitude can strengthen relationships by fostering feelings of appreciation and connection.
Mindfulness and Presence: Keeping a gratitude journal encourages mindfulness, helping individuals stay present and appreciate the moment.

To maximize its effectiveness, it can be helpful to be specific about what you’re grateful for and to write regularly, whether daily or weekly.
https://www.quora.com/Does-a-gratitude-journal-work
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phyllo wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:55 pm
Fair enough. If your world is better, then good for you.
Same world. But I have different thoughts about it.
Does a gratitude journal work?

Yes, a gratitude journal can be effective for many people. Research suggests that regularly writing down things you are grateful for can enhance overall well-being, increase happiness, and reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety. Here are some key benefits:

Increased Positivity: Focusing on positive aspects of life can shift your mindset and improve your outlook.
Improved Mental Health: Studies have shown that gratitude practices can lead to lower levels of stress and depression.
Better Sleep: Writing in a gratitude journal before bed can help improve sleep quality by promoting positive thoughts.
Enhanced Relationships: Expressing gratitude can strengthen relationships by fostering feelings of appreciation and connection.
Mindfulness and Presence: Keeping a gratitude journal encourages mindfulness, helping individuals stay present and appreciate the moment.

To maximize its effectiveness, it can be helpful to be specific about what you’re grateful for and to write regularly, whether daily or weekly.
https://www.quora.com/Does-a-gratitude-journal-work
I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
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I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
What would make you happy?

If it's "ending all suffering" ... that's not going to happen. Try something achievable.
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phyllo wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:54 pm
I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
What would make you happy?

If it's "ending all suffering" ... that's not going to happen. Try something achievable.
Finding a female whom I love to be around and who will love me back would be nice. Being an incel sucks.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:30 pm
phyllo wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:55 pm
Fair enough. If your world is better, then good for you.
Same world. But I have different thoughts about it.
Does a gratitude journal work?

Yes, a gratitude journal can be effective for many people. Research suggests that regularly writing down things you are grateful for can enhance overall well-being, increase happiness, and reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety. Here are some key benefits:

Increased Positivity: Focusing on positive aspects of life can shift your mindset and improve your outlook.
Improved Mental Health: Studies have shown that gratitude practices can lead to lower levels of stress and depression.
Better Sleep: Writing in a gratitude journal before bed can help improve sleep quality by promoting positive thoughts.
Enhanced Relationships: Expressing gratitude can strengthen relationships by fostering feelings of appreciation and connection.
Mindfulness and Presence: Keeping a gratitude journal encourages mindfulness, helping individuals stay present and appreciate the moment.

To maximize its effectiveness, it can be helpful to be specific about what you’re grateful for and to write regularly, whether daily or weekly.
https://www.quora.com/Does-a-gratitude-journal-work
I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
I'm guessing that you'd be wandering around the cruel streets at an even deeper level of unhappiness than you are now if the opposite (as in no roof, no bed, no food) was your status, No?
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seeds wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 10:11 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:30 pm
phyllo wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:55 pm
Same world. But I have different thoughts about it.


https://www.quora.com/Does-a-gratitude-journal-work
I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
I'm guessing that you'd be wandering around the cruel streets at an even deeper level of unhappiness than you are now if the opposite (as in no roof, no bed, no food) was your status, No?
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Absolutely, yes. What about it? Is survival all that matters?
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 10:20 pm
seeds wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 10:11 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:30 pm
I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
I'm guessing that you'd be wandering around the cruel streets at an even deeper level of unhappiness than you are now if the opposite (as in no roof, no bed, no food) was your status, No?
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Absolutely, yes. What about it? Is survival all that matters?
This isn't rocket science, Gary.

"...What about it?..." is that "it" (having food, a bed, and a roof over your head) has indeed made you happy, or at least "happier" than you would have been without those things.

And I mean you no offense, for I haven't walked a mile in your proverbial moccasins,...

...but if you are hoping to find a woman whom you would love to be around and who would love to be around you, then don't you think it would help if you stopped broadcasting to the world how much you hate being alive?

How attractive do you suppose that might be to the opposite sex (or to anyone, for that matter)?

Even if you can't imagine changing your attitude toward life, then how about for the sake (and sanity) of this adoring woman you hope to find, you simply pretend that being alive is a good thing? You know, the old "fake it till you make it" sort of approach.

Anyway, perhaps you should start out by adopting a sweet little puppy dog.🐶
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 10:09 pm
phyllo wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:54 pm
I'm grateful for food to eat, a bed to sleep in, and a roof over my head. Does that make you happy? It doesn't seem to have made me happy.
What would make you happy?

If it's "ending all suffering" ... that's not going to happen. Try something achievable.
Finding a female whom I love to be around and who will love me back would be nice. Being an incel sucks.
Everyone is alone in the world. Even loving couples who are lucky enough to find each other as soulmates are in reality intuitively aware that they too are each alone in their own aloneness.

Until you accept your absolute aloneness unconditionally, you will be condemned to suffer the effects of the misery self. The self that seeks love and happiness from an external source.

That’s the cold hard truth you are either willing to accept, or reject. Acceptance is the key. Letting go of attachments is the ultimate freedom and happiness. But yes, it’s hard to die. Aloneness is neither alive or dead because aloneness, all one, has never moved from itself. It’s infinite. There’s no escaping it.

It sucks for sure, so might as well just suck it up, you’ve got no choice in the matter.
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All possible worlds including all possible potential to be.


Romantic heart will romanticise, neurotic mind will neuroticise.
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