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The fact that the right are right and you're an extreme left idiot as U all are IS the reason you put me on the list; OR, do you have some thread topic reason for chucking me in there?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 11:18 am I will ignore the alt-right whine, do that in some other thread, but you can have your answer to why Belinda is on that list:
Woopee doo! I think you are misrepresenting Belinda here (*Misrepresentation, a VERY typical trait of the stupid people of the extreme left).FlashDangerpants wrote:..but you can have your answer to why Belinda is on that list. It's because she's halfway to ChatGPT Psychosis already. In fact I told her a few weeks ago that AI tools can reproduce the cognitive side of a challenge in this exchange:Her reply then was this slice of utter simp shit:FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 18, 2025 1:31 pmWhy compare human will to artificial intelligence? Wouldn't the apples vs apples comparison be against human intelligence? I thought humans had cognitive conative and affective dimension, while that what makes artificial intelligence so eerie is the reliance entirely on the cognitive aspect with the absence of both others.But yesterday she wrote...She got GPT to give her back information I gave her ages ago, but this time she believed it because it came from the GPT. She shouldn't have needed me either, general knowledge ought to suffice.
Bullshit. Talk about misrepresentation FFS.FlashDangerpants wrote:She's too weak, she's a born victim for this sort of thing. She's the sort of person who doesn't get that social media is there to get attention and advert clicks, so because promotion of rage gets those things reliably, rage-bait is half of social media.
It almost sounds like a hope and prayer!Chatgpt: Write me a short poem on destiny in rhyme
Destiny, a path unknown,
Winds that twist and winds that blow.
Through the dark, through light we roam,
Chasing stars, we find our home.
Threads are woven, fate's design,
In each moment, we're aligned.
Though we stumble, fall, and stray,
Destiny will guide our way.
I think the only bit that sounds like a 'hope and prayer' is 'we find our home'..Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:34 pm It did come up with a neat short poem on Destiny which I asked it to write just to see what would turn up. What it came up with is beyond the ability of most people to write and perfectly quotable even if it has no idea what it wrote...
It almost sounds like a hope and prayer!Chatgpt: Write me a short poem on destiny in rhyme
Destiny, a path unknown,
Winds that twist and winds that blow.
Through the dark, through light we roam,
Chasing stars, we find our home.
Threads are woven, fate's design,
In each moment, we're aligned.
Though we stumble, fall, and stray,
Destiny will guide our way.
Now which of the 100s of personalities you operate through did that idiocy come from?
Yeah. That's a pretty good poem, a lot better than what many of us may write.Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:34 pm It did come up with a neat short poem on Destiny which I asked it to write just to see what would turn up. What it came up with is beyond the ability of most people to write and perfectly quotable even if it has no idea what it wrote...
It almost sounds like a hope and prayer!Chatgpt: Write me a short poem on destiny in rhyme
Destiny, a path unknown,
Winds that twist and winds that blow.
Through the dark, through light we roam,
Chasing stars, we find our home.
Threads are woven, fate's design,
In each moment, we're aligned.
Though we stumble, fall, and stray,
Destiny will guide our way.
I think he said it a while ago, and someone else said he had another account with a man's name. He comes across as a silly old coot anyway.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:23 pmNow which of the 100s of personalities you operate through did that idiocy come from?
accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:31 pmI think he said it a while ago, and someone else said he had another account with a man's name. He comes across as a silly old coot anyway.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:23 pmNow which of the 100s of personalities you operate through did that idiocy come from?
Belinda, did you ever have a penis between your legs? --ah, that could apply either way.Belinda wrote:----
No idea how this applies to a deterministic outcome but whatever! Though well-expressed, it's more of a sentiment poem than a philosophical one. But again, it's one most people would not have the ability to write and that is the point not whether or not you like it or find it defective.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:23 pmI think the only bit that sounds like a 'hope and prayer' is 'we find our home'..Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:34 pm It did come up with a neat short poem on Destiny which I asked it to write just to see what would turn up. What it came up with is beyond the ability of most people to write and perfectly quotable even if it has no idea what it wrote...
It almost sounds like a hope and prayer!Chatgpt: Write me a short poem on destiny in rhyme
Destiny, a path unknown,
Winds that twist and winds that blow.
Through the dark, through light we roam,
Chasing stars, we find our home.
Threads are woven, fate's design,
In each moment, we're aligned.
Though we stumble, fall, and stray,
Destiny will guide our way.
The rest is stumbling through a deterministic outcome!
No idea? The poem is about destiny, which could be a rather bleak outcome that one did not want. I didn't see much of a prayer into it, as I said apart from the getting home bit, home tends to be a nice place to get to. But ya, for me it only reflected cause and effect that leads to a destiny (determinism).Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:50 pmNo idea how this applies to a deterministic outcome but whatever! Though well-expressed, it's more of a sentiment poem than a philosophical one. But again, it's one most people would not have the ability to write and that is the point not whether or not you like it or find it defective.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:23 pmI think the only bit that sounds like a 'hope and prayer' is 'we find our home'..Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:34 pm It did come up with a neat short poem on Destiny which I asked it to write just to see what would turn up. What it came up with is beyond the ability of most people to write and perfectly quotable even if it has no idea what it wrote...
It almost sounds like a hope and prayer!
The rest is stumbling through a deterministic outcome!
Ever heard about bibles?
Now whether these scenarios are completely accurate is besides the point -Chat GPT wrote: 1. The Catcher in the Rye – Mark David Chapman and John Lennon
Mark David Chapman, who murdered musician John Lennon in 1980, was reportedly obsessed with J.D. Salinger's novel The Catcher in the Rye. He identified with the book's themes of alienation and rebellion and considered the murder to be the 27th chapter in the 26-chapter book. Chapman even quoted a line from the novel at his trial and wrote "this is my statement" on the inside cover of the copy recovered from his jacket pocket during his arrest.
2. Rage by Richard Bachman (Stephen King) – Jeffrey Lyne Cox
In 1988, high school student Jeffrey Lyne Cox took his classmates hostage after reading Rage, a novel by Richard Bachman (a pseudonym for Stephen King). The book's protagonist commits a similar act, and Cox reportedly identified with the character's feelings of alienation and frustration. This incident led to the book being withdrawn from publication.
While you may be a source of idiocy, you are not it's arbiter.
It's not remotely similar. I can't be bothered explaining why. You aren't going to get it anyway.Ben JS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 11:01 pmEver heard about bibles?
Or schizophrenics who see messages where there are none?
A schizophrenic may use any source to feed their delusions / hallucinations,
from any sort of media / literature, to the swaying of trees or sounds of birds.
AI chatbots are strong source of influence,
and also may inadvertently be more supportive of a delusion than a healthy person would be.
Now whether these scenarios are completely accurate is besides the point -Chat GPT wrote: 1. The Catcher in the Rye – Mark David Chapman and John Lennon
Mark David Chapman, who murdered musician John Lennon in 1980, was reportedly obsessed with J.D. Salinger's novel The Catcher in the Rye. He identified with the book's themes of alienation and rebellion and considered the murder to be the 27th chapter in the 26-chapter book. Chapman even quoted a line from the novel at his trial and wrote "this is my statement" on the inside cover of the copy recovered from his jacket pocket during his arrest.
2. Rage by Richard Bachman (Stephen King) – Jeffrey Lyne Cox
In 1988, high school student Jeffrey Lyne Cox took his classmates hostage after reading Rage, a novel by Richard Bachman (a pseudonym for Stephen King). The book's protagonist commits a similar act, and Cox reportedly identified with the character's feelings of alienation and frustration. This incident led to the book being withdrawn from publication.
the point is that because a delusional person was influenced by inane phenomena,
is not an indictment on the phenomena - but life's susceptibility to delusion.While you may be a source of idiocy, you are not it's arbiter.
It's a reasonable comparison, historically relevant & an illustration of how fear mongering attempted to halt progress.
Chatbots are like interactive books, where they not only source their words from literature, but also online user interactions.
It's not a stretch to compare their influence on people, similar to the influence books may have on people.
Both are close to one way communication, where there's an imbalance of influence:
both book and AI chatbot may influence the reader/user far more than user may influence the book/chatbot in return.
Books have utility, chatbots have utility.
But they aren't without risks.
Having risks does not mean we should abandon their utilization.
EDIT:
Nor does it mean those who utilize them are delusional.
Just as not all who utilize books are delusional, but some are.
U just always want to argue with people woman!accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 11:17 pm It's not remotely similar. I can't be bothered explaining why. You aren't going to get it anyway.