Philosophy Now Forum

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 5:42 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 3:51 am
Islam and even Judaism are perfectly compatible with logic.

A corrupted perverse logic, which can rationalize every absurdity under the sun, has been the instrument of truth for theists and theism since day one. There are no other means for that type to rely on in validating their beliefs beyond mere assumptions. Such absurdities can only be acknowledged by the absurd arguments made in its defense.

You need to point out a contradiction, i.e. an internal inconsistency in a particular system of beliefs. So, you need an example ("witness") for that.

The fact that religion is foundationalist, i.e. ultimately rests on basic beliefs, is perfectly fine, given the fact that logic itself is foundationalist.

There is nothing wrong with foundationalism.

It's like being in a dream. A lucid dream. I will not hear incoherence. I'm actually able to jam such transmission. It's great! And for real.

"If we as a species are to survive, we must overcome faith." Carl Sagan

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 3:46 am "If we as a species are to survive, we must overcome faith." Carl Sagan

Yes, do not have any faith, at all, that you can overcome, for example, the lies and Falsehoods that people like this one feed you.

To overcome all of the distorted False beliefs and assumptions that are being continually expressed and shared, it may well take the actual 'faith' within "yourselves".

Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:21 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 3:46 am "If we as a species are to survive, we must overcome faith." Carl Sagan

Yes, do not have any faith, at all, that you can overcome, for example, the lies and Falsehoods that people like this one feed you.

To overcome all of the distorted False beliefs and assumptions that are being continually expressed and shared, it may well take the actual 'faith' within "yourselves".

All the Western desert religions are historically bathed in the blood of innocence; the greatest story on earth continues its pathology into the present.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:31 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:21 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 3:46 am "If we as a species are to survive, we must overcome faith." Carl Sagan

Yes, do not have any faith, at all, that you can overcome, for example, the lies and Falsehoods that people like this one feed you.

To overcome all of the distorted False beliefs and assumptions that are being continually expressed and shared, it may well take the actual 'faith' within "yourselves".

All the Western desert religions are historically bathed in the blood of innocence;

If 'this' is how you want to 'look at' and 'see' things, here, then okay.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:31 am the greatest story on earth continues its pathology into the present.

What, supposedly, is the 'greatest story on earth', exactly?

Religion is ignorance.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 3:46 am "If we as a species are to survive, we must overcome faith." Carl Sagan

Did Sagan overcome scientific paradoxes with faith?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:09 am

Question: AI, what does God Incarnate mean?

An AI manifestation’s answer: "God incarnate" means God becoming fully human, taking on flesh and a physical body. This central Christian doctrine affirms that God, in the person of Jesus Christ, was both fully divine and fully human simultaneously, a paradox often described as the Word becoming flesh. The term "incarnation" itself comes from the Latin word for "to make into flesh".

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AI, what are some examples of paradox?

Logical and philosophical examples:

The Liar Paradox: The statement "This sentence is false" is a classic logical contradiction where if the sentence is true, it is false, and vice versa.

The Ship of Theseus: This thought experiment questions if an object remains the same after all its original components are replaced.

The Omnipotence Paradox: This asks if an all-powerful being can create something it cannot control.

The Socratic Paradox: The statement "I know that I know nothing" highlights the wisdom in acknowledging one's lack of knowledge.

The Barber Paradox: This involves a barber who shaves only men who don't shave themselves, leading to a contradiction when considering who shaves the barber.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 6:56 am Religion is ignorance.

If that premise (unsupported hypothesis) is based on paradoxes found within the logic of religions, then it's only logical to say that science is also ignorance based on the paradoxes found within science.

If that premise is true, (for the logic that follows from that premise certainly is true) then what is not ignorance?

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 7:39 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 6:56 am Religion is ignorance.

If that premise (unsupported hypothesis) is based on paradoxes found within the logic of religions, then it's only logical to say that science is also ignorance based on the paradoxes found within science.

If that premise is true, (for the logic that follows from that premise certainly is true) then what is not ignorance?

Stubbornness. Mule level stubbornness.