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Re: how woke works
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:39 am
by Flannel Jesus
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:32 am
Anyway, back to the topic of the post: I think it's interesting that conservatives in America have managed to convince themselves they're the party of freedom and the other side is the party of censorship. I think both sides have some unhealthy tendencies lately towards domineering control of language, and controlling what beliefs people are allowed to express. It seems to me to be a myth that American conservatives are genuinely much more freedom oriented than American liberals. I'm not certain exactly which side is worse on the freedom scale, but Trump hasn't been helping the conservative side of that tug-of-war
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:46 am
by Maia
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:39 am
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:32 am
Anyway, back to the topic of the post: I think it's interesting that conservatives in America have managed to convince themselves they're the party of freedom and the other side is the party of censorship. I think both sides have some unhealthy tendencies lately towards domineering control of language, and controlling what beliefs people are allowed to express. It seems to me to be a myth that American conservatives are genuinely much more freedom oriented than American liberals. I'm not certain exactly which side is worse on the freedom scale, but Trump hasn't been helping the conservative side of that tug-of-war
That may be so, if he's really banned those words. Still, some of them, such as "chestfeeding" are abominations, and highly offensive.
Are people losing their jobs and livelihoods for using any of those words? If so, then yes, both sides are equally bad.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:50 am
by Flannel Jesus
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:46 am
Are people losing their jobs and livelihoods for using any of those words? If so, then yes, both sides are equally bad.
Not yet. No, people lost their jobs in the big doge purge a few weeks ago.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:59 am
by Maia
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:50 am
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:46 am
Are people losing their jobs and livelihoods for using any of those words? If so, then yes, both sides are equally bad.
Not yet. No, people lost their jobs in the big doge purge a few weeks ago.
I think a lot of those weren't actually doing anything, or very little. Still, I don't want to make light of the issue. We're always being threatened with council cut backs where I work, and it's not much fun.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:07 pm
by Alexiev
I read that the military banned the word "gay", so all mention of the Enola Gay (the B52 that dropped the first atomic bomb) was expunged from military history sites.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:09 pm
by mickthinks
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:59 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:50 am
… people lost their jobs in the big doge purge a few weeks ago.
I think a lot of those weren't actually doing anything, …
Interesting! Can you say
why you think that, Maia?
Re: how woke works
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:15 pm
by Maia
mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:09 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:59 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:50 am
… people lost their jobs in the big doge purge a few weeks ago.
I think a lot of those weren't actually doing anything, …
Interesting! Can you say
why you think that, Maia?
As I understand it, those were the ones they sacked, by and large. It's just what I've heard on the news, though.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:09 pm
by mickthinks
Maia wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:15 pm
mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:09 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:59 am
I think a lot of those weren't actually doing anything, …
Interesting! Can you say
why you think that, Maia?
As I understand it, those were the ones they sacked, by and large. It's just what I've heard on the news, though.
I take that to mean you have assumed that DOGE has taken great care to assess the productivity of every federal employee it has sacked. Taking that as a premise, it would follow readily that being fired is firm evidence of an employee’s idleness.
But why do you assume that DOGE is taking great care to assess the productivity of all these federal employees? I‘ve seen and heard nothing that supports such an assumption.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:44 am
by Maia
mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:09 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:15 pm
mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:09 pm
Interesting! Can you say
why you think that, Maia?
As I understand it, those were the ones they sacked, by and large. It's just what I've heard on the news, though.
I take that to mean you have assumed that DOGE has taken great care to assess the productivity of every federal employee it has sacked. Taking that as a premise, it would follow readily that being fired is firm evidence of an employee’s idleness.
But why do you assume that DOGE is taking great care to assess the productivity of all these federal employees? I‘ve seen and heard nothing that supports such an assumption.
I don't know, to be honest, and perhaps I'm not quite as familiar with American domestic politics as I should be. Elon Musk is has undoubtedly helped human progress, but I suppose it's hardly rocket science.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:52 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:59 am
We're always being threatened with council cut backs where I work, and it's not much fun.
Are you a DEI hire?
Re: how woke works
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:59 pm
by Maia
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:52 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:59 am
We're always being threatened with council cut backs where I work, and it's not much fun.
Are you a DEI hire?
I don't believe so, and when I've asked about things like that in the past, they've always denied it. I very much like to think that I was able to get the job on my own merits.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:33 pm
by commonsense
Why didn’t flight deck make the list?
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:36 pm
by commonsense
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:15 am
I don't like "wokism" at all. It leads to people being afraid to say things, for fear of causing offence. Often, therefore, they just play it safe and say nothing at all.
Agreed. One has to be sharp when choosing one’s words.. Dullards beware.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:39 pm
by commonsense
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:13 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:01 am
Maia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:15 am
I don't like "wokism" at all. It leads to people being afraid to say things, for fear of causing offence. Often, therefore, they just play it safe and say nothing at all.
Oh, you poor thing. Don't tell me you had to listen to the computer read that entire list!
Sadly, yes, but I have it on 4x.
I tried to put my dog on 4x but he peed everywhere.
Re: how woke works
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:46 pm
by commonsense
Alexiev wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:07 pm
I read that the military banned the word "gay", so all mention of the Enola Gay (the B52 that dropped the first atomic bomb) was expunged from military history sites.
Do you know what the bomber is called now? Enola LBTQ+?