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Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:59 pm
by commonsense
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:13 am
Bertrand Russell once said that the problem with the world is that the ignorant are cock sure and the intelligent are full of doubt. And yet one wonders how can doubt be intelligent and certainty be ignorance? Maybe Russell was wrong. And maybe he and the rest of us philosophers are the ignorant ones. In the end, perhaps nature is driven by impulse and desire and knowledge is faith and it is we who question Nature who are anti-natural and therefore not favored by nature.
Perhaps life is a wonderful thing...for others. But my birth was a mistake. It should never have happened. Survival of the fittest is cruel. And we live in a cruel world. I lose.
To be intelligent is to have analytical thinking skills. To be analytical is to examine possibility. To rely on probabilities is to be wise. To be wise is to recognize uncertainties.
To be ignorant is the opposite of being intelligent. To be certain is the opposite of being doubtful.
It’s that straightforward, Gary.
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:06 pm
by attofishpi
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:59 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:13 am
Bertrand Russell once said that the problem with the world is that the ignorant are cock sure and the intelligent are full of doubt. And yet one wonders how can doubt be intelligent and certainty be ignorance? Maybe Russell was wrong. And maybe he and the rest of us philosophers are the ignorant ones. In the end, perhaps nature is driven by impulse and desire and knowledge is faith and it is we who question Nature who are anti-natural and therefore not favored by nature.
Perhaps life is a wonderful thing...for others. But my birth was a mistake. It should never have happened. Survival of the fittest is cruel. And we live in a cruel world. I lose.
To be intelligent is to have analytical thinking skills. To be analytical is to examine possibility. To rely on probabilities is to be wise. To be wise is to recognize uncertainties.
To be ignorant is the opposite of being intelligent. To be certain is the opposite of being doubtful.
It’s that straightforward, Gary.
Although I have no contention with what u state. I do here:
How is being ignorant the OPPOSITE of being intelligent?
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:09 pm
by Sculptor
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:13 am
Bertrand Russell once said that the problem with the world is that the ignorant are cock sure and the intelligent are full of doubt. And yet one wonders how can doubt be intelligent and certainty be ignorance? Maybe Russell was wrong. And maybe he and the rest of us philosophers are the ignorant ones. In the end, perhaps nature is driven by impulse and desire and knowledge is faith and it is we who question Nature who are anti-natural and therefore not favored by nature.
Perhaps life is a wonderful thing...for others. But my birth was a mistake. It should never have happened. Survival of the fittest is cruel. And we live in a cruel world. I lose.
Example of Stupid Certainty: Trump and his MAGA followers.
Example of Doubt and intelligence: all good scientists..
I think you can probably find examples of doubtful fools. But they have little impact.
And people who are intelligent and have the arrogance to deny their own doubt are as dangerous as the certain fools;
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:09 am
by commonsense
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:06 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:59 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:13 am
Bertrand Russell once said that the problem with the world is that the ignorant are cock sure and the intelligent are full of doubt. And yet one wonders how can doubt be intelligent and certainty be ignorance? Maybe Russell was wrong. And maybe he and the rest of us philosophers are the ignorant ones. In the end, perhaps nature is driven by impulse and desire and knowledge is faith and it is we who question Nature who are anti-natural and therefore not favored by nature.
Perhaps life is a wonderful thing...for others. But my birth was a mistake. It should never have happened. Survival of the fittest is cruel. And we live in a cruel world. I lose.
To be intelligent is to have analytical thinking skills. To be analytical is to examine possibility. To rely on probabilities is to be wise. To be wise is to recognize uncertainties.
To be ignorant is the opposite of being intelligent. To be certain is the opposite of being doubtful.
It’s that straightforward, Gary.
Although I have no contention with what u state. I do here:
How is being ignorant the OPPOSITE of being intelligent?
Intelligent—informed, knowledgeable
Ignorant—uninformed, unknowledgeable
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 am
by accelafine
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:09 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:06 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:59 pm
To be intelligent is to have analytical thinking skills. To be analytical is to examine possibility. To rely on probabilities is to be wise. To be wise is to recognize uncertainties.
To be ignorant is the opposite of being intelligent. To be certain is the opposite of being doubtful.
It’s that straightforward, Gary.
Although I have no contention with what u state. I do here:
How is being ignorant the OPPOSITE of being intelligent?
Intelligent—informed, knowledgeable
Ignorant—uninformed, unknowledgeable
A person can be intelligent but ignorant.
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:06 am
by attofishpi
..yes my point too.
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:36 pm
by commonsense
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 am
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:09 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:06 pm
Although I have no contention with what u state. I do here:
How is being ignorant the OPPOSITE of being intelligent?
Intelligent—informed, knowledgeable
Ignorant—uninformed, unknowledgeable
A person can be intelligent but ignorant.
Yes, and these opposite qualities can exist in the same person.
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:06 pm
by accelafine
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:36 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 am
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:09 am
Intelligent—informed, knowledgeable
Ignorant—uninformed, unknowledgeable
A person can be intelligent but ignorant.
Yes, and these opposite qualities can exist in the same person.
What do you think I just said? And ignorant isn't the opposite of intelligent (despite what online McDikshinry might say).
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:23 pm
by commonsense
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:06 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:36 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 am
A person can be intelligent but ignorant.
Yes, and these opposite qualities can exist in the same person.
What do you think I just said? And ignorant isn't the opposite of intelligent (despite what online McDikshinry might say).
Was I wrong to agree with what you just said?
I was once knowledgeable about Latin, and at the same time I was ignorant of Greek. I am knowledgeable about American football and ignorant about ice hockey. I once was knowledgeable about Judaism yet I am ignorant of Islam.
What would you say is the opposite of intelligent?
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:15 pm
by Sculptor
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:23 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:06 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:36 pm
Yes, and these opposite qualities can exist in the same person.
What do you think I just said? And ignorant isn't the opposite of intelligent (despite what online McDikshinry might say).
Was I wrong to agree with what you just said?
I was once knowledgeable about Latin, and at the same time I was ignorant of Greek. I am knowledgeable about American football and ignorant about ice hockey. I once was knowledgeable about Judaism yet I am ignorant of Islam.
What would you say is the opposite of intelligent?
Even morons can be correct sometimes.
Knowledge is not the same as intelligence.
Though you need some intelligence to have knowledge you can know a lot and be pretty stupid.
And though you might be super intelligent, you can also lack much knowledge.
But even those that are stupid and ignorant can repeat things which are true.
Intelligent and knowedgable people can repeat falsehoods, and opinions held in bad faith.
There is no opposite of intellgence, but that which is a lack of it. Intelligence is about degree of mental capacity in a range of areas. A lack of it is often called stupidity.
Re: A Dark Night of Truth
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:08 pm
by accelafine
Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:15 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:23 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:06 pm
What do you think I just said? And ignorant isn't the opposite of intelligent (despite what online McDikshinry might say).
Was I wrong to agree with what you just said?
I was once knowledgeable about Latin, and at the same time I was ignorant of Greek. I am knowledgeable about American football and ignorant about ice hockey. I once was knowledgeable about Judaism yet I am ignorant of Islam.
What would you say is the opposite of intelligent?
Even morons can be correct sometimes.
Knowledge is not the same as intelligence.
Though you need some intelligence to have knowledge you can know a lot and be pretty stupid.
And though you might be super intelligent, you can also lack much knowledge.
But even those that are stupid and ignorant can repeat things which are true.
Intelligent and knowedgable people can repeat falsehoods, and opinions held in bad faith.
There is no opposite of intellgence, but that which is a lack of it. Intelligence is about degree of mental capacity in a range of areas. A lack of it is often called stupidity.
What's even worse is someone with intelligence who feigns ignorance for scumbag political reasons.