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Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:06 am
by Dontaskme
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:45 pm
I am arguing that the changes in species can be the result of a supernatural intervention or not. That is true since science is not precise enough to rule out one in favor of another one.
What is a ''supernatural intervention'' when it's at home..
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:55 pm
by bahman
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:46 am
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:49 pm
You cannot disprove the existence of a supernatural being that gives shape to nature. You cannot prove it either. Evolution is not a very precise practice. Even physics is not a very precise practice as things can be manipulated in digits that are beyond the precision of physics.
You cannot
KNOW the existence of a supernatural being that gives shape to nature.
Correct.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:46 am
You cannot
NOT KNOW the existence of a supernatural being that gives shape to nature.
Incorrect.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:57 pm
by bahman
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:06 am
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:45 pm
I am arguing that the changes in species can be the result of a supernatural intervention or not. That is true since science is not precise enough to rule out one in favor of another one.
What is a ''supernatural intervention'' when it's at home..
When it's at home?
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:02 pm
by Dontaskme
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:57 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:06 am
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:45 pm
I am arguing that the changes in species can be the result of a supernatural intervention or not. That is true since science is not precise enough to rule out one in favor of another one.
What is a ''supernatural intervention'' when it's at home..
When it's at home?
What is a ''supernatural intervention'' ?
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:04 pm
by Dontaskme
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:46 am
You cannot
KNOW the existence of a supernatural being that gives shape to nature.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:55 pmCorrect.
Why assume something exists that you cannot know?
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:30 pm
by bahman
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:02 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:57 pm
When it's at home?
What is a ''supernatural intervention''?
An intervention in how the natural world evolves.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:33 pm
by bahman
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:04 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:46 am
You cannot
KNOW the existence of a supernatural being that gives shape to nature.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:55 pmCorrect.
Why assume something exists that you cannot know?
I am arguing that it could exist. I am agnostic when it comes to the existence of God and many other things.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm
by Dontaskme
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:33 pm
I am arguing that it could exist.
So you are arguing for something that could exist that you will never know about, ok. What's the point in that?
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:05 pm
by Dontaskme
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:30 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:02 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:57 pm
When it's at home?
What is a ''supernatural intervention''?
An intervention in how the natural world evolves.
What is a supernatural intervention?
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:08 pm
by Walker
"Supernatural" occurances have unknown natural causes.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:13 pm
by Dontaskme
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:08 pm
"Supernatural" occurances have unknown natural causes.
How can you know there are occurrences that are unknown? Who would know what is unknown?
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:16 pm
by Walker
I wrote:"Supernatural" occurances have unknown natural causes.
you wrote:How can you know there are occurrences that are unknown? Who would know what is unknown?
Come on ... words have meaning. Get over it and deal with the meaning rather than the rearranging of words.
When you don't know why something happens, but know that it does happen, then the cause is unknown.
For example, the cause of your ignorance is unknown to you, but you do know that it does happen.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:33 pm
by Dontaskme
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:16 pm
I wrote:"Supernatural" occurances have unknown natural causes.
you wrote:How can you know there are occurrences that are unknown? Who would know what is unknown?
Come on ... words have meaning. Get over it and deal with the meaning rather than the rearranging of words.
When you don't know why something happens, but know that it does happen, then the cause is unknown.
For example, the cause of your ignorance is unknown to you, but you do know that it does happen.
But why would you or anyone want to know why something happens, that you know happens, but can't know why it happens because you already know you'll never know...that is what I am trying to figure out.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:37 pm
by Walker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:33 pmbecause you already know you'll never know...that is what I am trying to figure out.
Begin with figuring out why you make huge assumptions like that, about who knows and who doesn't, about who will know and who will not know.
And as was already noted, you can also work on figuring out why you play with words rather than philosopize with meaning.
Re: Evolution, God made or an accident
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:26 pm
by bahman
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:33 pm
I am arguing that it could exist.
So you are arguing for something that could exist that you will never know about, ok. What's the point in that?
The point is that you cannot have confirmed proof of the existence of God. In other words, all arguments against or in favor of the existence of God are invalid.