Philosophy Now Forum

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities].

When you say; "When you think about it", what does the 'it' word refer to, EXACTLY?

For when I think about 'it' the word 'philosophy' just means having the love-of-learning. Which EVERY one of 'you', human beings, HAD at, let us say, BIRTH. But, which 'you' have ALL, very sadly, LOST or are LOSING partly due to a Wrongly formulated and Wrongly called "education-system".

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing?

But the ACTUAL Truth of the 'matter' has ALREADY been UNCOVERED, FOUND, SEEN, UNDERSTOOD, COMPREHENDED, and KNOWN, well by some of us anyway. And, contrary to popular BELIEF in the days when this was being written, the Truth of the 'matter' of this had ALREADY been PROVED IRREFUTABLY True.

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

This is VERY True.

For example, 'you', "simplicity", are "yourself" longing for affirmation of your own (convoluted) take on 'things' here, correct?

If no, then WHY are you expressing your take on 'things' here?

Your OWN (convoluted) take on 'things' and thus your OWN personal reality here is CERTAINLY NOT ANY thing I would agree with NOR affirm.

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

So, WHY have you 'joined' this 'cult' then? This is, after all, a 'philosophy forum', which you have 'joined'.

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis.

Are there NOT 'forums' or 'clubs' where the books or novels that have been read could be discussed, which you could 'join'?

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

If 'trying to make sense of concepts' or 'philosophy', to you, is NOT part of 'learning about an unlimited amount of things', then what is 'it' you have ACTUALLY learned, which was NOT been a 'waste of time', for you?

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

But figuring out HOW the Universe, Itself, ACTUALLY WORKS, only took, literally, a few seconds to do.

OVERCOMING ALL of the False, Wrong, AND Incorrect information that 'you', adult human beings, pass on down to the younger ones, through your BOOKS and WORDS is what takes LONGER, and which is what was REALLY a 'waste of time'.

If 'you', adult human beings, just STOPPED passing on False, Wrong, AND Incorrect information as though it was the True, Right, and/or Correct information, a LONG TIME AGO, then 'you', human beings, would NOT STILL be trying to 'figure out how the Universe works'.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:20 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

Nah.
Cults are most usually directed by one man, or one authority.

'you', adult human beings, live WITHIN A 'cult' in the days when this is being written, but like just about ALL 'cults' where the ones WITHIN do NOT even RECOGNIZE that they are WITHIN A 'cult' ALL of 'you', adult human beings, can NOT even SEE and RECOGNIZE the one/s 'you' are in 'now'.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:20 pm FOr example Moonies were followers of the Rev Sung Young Moon.. Similat examples exist for David Koreshi and infinitem.
FOr followers there is but one way forward and that is to religiously believe their leader, and follow his every wish.
FOr long surviving cults such as older religions, although there might be divisions into sects, the result is the same; to belong you need to obey and follow without question.

IN the days when this was being written 'you', adult human beings, were FOLLOWING and BELIEVING IN your CHOSEN 'leaders', which was usually ALWAYS centered around 'money' and especially the 'love-of-money'. Which, when LOOKED INTO, all comes back to who the 'devil' word refers to, and how 'it' DECEIVED and FOOLED 'you' ones into BELIEVING 'things' that were NOT True AT ALL. Which is FULLY understood when how the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK is also understood.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:20 pm Philosophy is the reverse of this.

But which VERSION of 'philosophy' do you use and go by here?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:20 pm You either have very little experience of studying philosophy or you are confusing philosophy with religions.

What does the word 'philosophy' even mean or refer to, to you? Which could then be so-called 'studied'.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:22 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm
Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.],

PS.
It is pretty clear you haven't go the faintest idea of what a "cult" is.

Do you have ANY idea that 'you', people, HAVE and USE VERY DIFFERENT 'definitions' for the EXACT SAME WORDS?

In fact, are you even SLIGHT AWARE that the EXACT SAME WORD can be USED in the EXACT OPPOSITE way to 'you', human beings?

Furthermore, do you have the 'faintest idea' that the EXACT SAME WORD can have two OPPOSITE 'definitions'?

trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:17 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

As an opponent of daylight, with no harm intended at daylight, I would say I'm a safe cultist. In specific, I am concerned with criticism after, which seems to be intertwined with daylight's before is after.

I'm also currently concerned with Ukraine v Russia, along the paradigm of daylight's criticism after

But what is there to be REALLY 'concerned' about in relation to some land, bordered by imaginary lines, with two different labels or names having been placed onto those two imagined separately divided "parcels" of land?

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:37 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:22 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm
Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.],

PS.
It is pretty clear you haven't go the faintest idea of what a "cult" is.

Thank you for making my case.

I did NOT notice this before, but yes VERY True. The POINT you were making was just, once again, PROVED True here by the one known as "sculptor".

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

You are merely insulting your own intelligence by posting the above.

First your definition of 'philosophy' as "trying to make sense out of concepts" is way off.
The general definition of 'philosophy'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
does not center on 'making sense of concepts at all'.
Read the article to get a sense of what is philosophy in general.

In one general sense, philosophy is associated with wisdom, intellectual culture, and a search for knowledge.
-wiki

'Philosophy' permeates and manifests in many aspects of life but I believe there is an essence to what is philosophy, note,
What is the Essence of Philosophy?
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34177
Whatever positive [net] generated within the evolution of humanity is traceable to the essence of 'philosophy'.
There is no way to deny the imperativeness of 'philosophy-proper' in human progress.

There is the general meaning of 'cult'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
But if you define 'cult' that loosely as you have done above, then the group of people crazy with reading novels are also in a cult.

Actually we need a Philosophy of Reading-Novel and their fanatics to understand its 'WHY'.
I admit we also need a Philosophy of Philosophy or Philosophy of Philosophers, but the point is 'philosophy-proper' [as meta-] encompasses and overrides all human behaviors.

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

Philosophy.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:24 am

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

You are merely insulting your own intelligence by posting the above.

And, you are actually showing your superiority complex and condescending attitude by posting what you just did.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:24 am First your definition of 'philosophy' as "trying to make sense out of concepts" is way off.

"Way off" in relation to what EXACTLY, your OWN definition?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:24 am The general definition of 'philosophy'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
does not center on 'making sense of concepts at all'.
Read the article to get a sense of what is philosophy in general.

Have the COURAGE and express what YOUR OWN 'definition' is for the word 'philosophy'.

Until then NO one KNOWS what the so-called "general definition" of 'philosophy' is from YOUR perspective.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:24 am

In one general sense, philosophy is associated with wisdom, intellectual culture, and a search for knowledge.
-wiki

'Philosophy' manifest in many aspects of life but I believe there is an essence to what is philosophy, note,
What is the Essence of Philosophy?
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34177
Whatever positive [net] generated within the evolution of humanity is traceable to the essence of 'philosophy'.
There is no way to deny the imperativeness of 'philosophy-proper' in human progress.

There is the general meaning of 'cult'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
But if you define 'cult' that loosely as you have done above, then the group of people crazy with reading novels are also in a cult.

Actually we need a Philosophy of Reading-Novel and their fanatics to understand its 'WHY'.
I admit we also need a Philosophy of Philosophy or Philosophy of Philosophers, but the point is 'philosophy-proper' [as meta-] encompasses and overrides all human behaviors.

So, 'what', EXACTLY, does the word 'philosophy' actually mean, to you?

Or, in other words, how do you define the word 'philosophy'?

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

Why do you keep commenting here, when the value of any contribution including yours is ZERO?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:34 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:22 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm
Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.],

PS.
It is pretty clear you haven't go the faintest idea of what a "cult" is.

Do you have ANY idea that 'you', people, HAVE and USE VERY DIFFERENT 'definitions' for the EXACT SAME WORDS?

In fact, are you even SLIGHT AWARE that the EXACT SAME WORD can be USED in the EXACT OPPOSITE way to 'you', human beings?

Furthermore, do you have the 'faintest idea' that the EXACT SAME WORD can have two OPPOSITE 'definitions'?

Until you learnto write properly I am not going to read or respond to your posts, especially when my comments were not directed at you in the first place.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:34 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:22 pm

PS.
It is pretty clear you haven't go the faintest idea of what a "cult" is.

Do you have ANY idea that 'you', people, HAVE and USE VERY DIFFERENT 'definitions' for the EXACT SAME WORDS?

In fact, are you even SLIGHT AWARE that the EXACT SAME WORD can be USED in the EXACT OPPOSITE way to 'you', human beings?

Furthermore, do you have the 'faintest idea' that the EXACT SAME WORD can have two OPPOSITE 'definitions'?

Until you learnto write properly I am not going to read or respond to your posts, especially when my comments were not directed at you in the first place.

And, if I am NOT MISTAKEN you have SAID this PREVIOUSLY. YET here you are, ONCE MORE, reading AND responding to my posts, ONCE AGAIN.

Also, are you at all CAPABLE of EXPLAIN what 'write properly' MEANS or REFERS TO, EXACTLY?

Your reply or NON reply will SHOW and EXPLAIN how much or how little you REALLY KNOW.

Also, just saying, "Until you learn to write properly BEFORE you just answer and CLARIFY some REALLY very SIMPLE and very EASY CLARIFYING questions", can be SEEN as the Truly WEAKEST EXCUSE for being TOTALLY INCAPABLE of being CHALLENGED or QUESTIONED over your OWN CLAIMS here.

I suggest getting at least SOME COURAGE and START answering Honestly. Otherwise, you WILL be SEEN as the TOTALLY WEAK or TOTALLY INCAPABLE one that 'you' Truly ARE here.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:14 am

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

Why do you keep commenting here, when the value of any contribution including yours is ZERO?

This appears to be an EXTREMELY FUNNY thing to say. Especially considering the Fact that you have just commented here, when, SUPPOSEDLY, the value of absolutely ANY contribution at all (including YOUR OWN) will be ZERO as well. So, WHY did you comment here?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:09 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:14 am

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

Why do you keep commenting here, when the value of any contribution including yours is ZERO?

This appears to be an EXTREMELY FUNNY thing to say. Especially considering the Fact that you have just commented here, when, SUPPOSEDLY, the value of absolutely ANY contribution at all (including YOUR OWN) will be ZERO as well. So, WHY did you comment here?

Learn to read

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:37 am

trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:17 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:10 pm When you think about it , philosophy is no more than a cult of individuals obsessed with trying to make sense out of concepts that have absolutely no basis in Reality [or even in our own personal realities]. The chances of anybody getting anywhere close to the truth of the matter is ZERO so why all the fuss about nothing? And really, it seems the vast majority of folks simply long for affirmation of their convoluted take on things.

Although perhaps better than other modern cults [e.g., eating, porn, drugs/alcohol, tv, computer games, internet surfing, etc.], it's pretty much a complete waste of time and energy.

Perhaps we could do each other a favor and pool our collective intelligence to discover an activity a tad bit more productive. Personally, I love to read and consume novels on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of really good/great authors out there and an unlimited amount of things you can learn about [historically and otherwise].

What do you people do when you are not figuring out how the Universe works?

As an opponent of daylight, with no harm intended at daylight, I would say I'm a safe cultist. In specific, I am concerned with criticism after, which seems to be intertwined with daylight's before is after.

I'm also currently concerned with Ukraine v Russia, along the paradigm of daylight's criticism after

But what is there to be REALLY 'concerned' about in relation to some land, bordered by imaginary lines, with two different labels or names having been placed onto those two imagined separately divided "parcels" of land?

Fiction (Russia and Ukraine) ruling death, when that same death is meant to be ruled by inevitability (daylight's energy)

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:02 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:34 am

Do you have ANY idea that 'you', people, HAVE and USE VERY DIFFERENT 'definitions' for the EXACT SAME WORDS?

In fact, are you even SLIGHT AWARE that the EXACT SAME WORD can be USED in the EXACT OPPOSITE way to 'you', human beings?

Furthermore, do you have the 'faintest idea' that the EXACT SAME WORD can have two OPPOSITE 'definitions'?

Until you learnto write properly I am not going to read or respond to your posts, especially when my comments were not directed at you in the first place.

And, if I am NOT MISTAKEN you have SAID this PREVIOUSLY. YET here you are, ONCE MORE, reading AND responding to my posts, ONCE AGAIN.

Also, are you at all CAPABLE of EXPLAIN what 'write properly' MEANS or REFERS TO, EXACTLY?

Your reply or NON reply will SHOW and EXPLAIN how much or how little you REALLY KNOW.

Also, just saying, "Until you learn to write properly BEFORE you just answer and CLARIFY some REALLY very SIMPLE and very EASY CLARIFYING questions", can be SEEN as the Truly WEAKEST EXCUSE for being TOTALLY INCAPABLE of being CHALLENGED or QUESTIONED over your OWN CLAIMS here.

I suggest getting at least SOME COURAGE and START answering Honestly. Otherwise, you WILL be SEEN as the TOTALLY WEAK or TOTALLY INCAPABLE one that 'you' Truly ARE here.

Until you learn to write properly I am not going to read or respond to your posts, especially when my comments were not directed at you in the first place.