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Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:51 pm All the world's problems ....

There is no such thing!

The world (or the planet or makind) has no problems--all problems are individual problems.

H.L. Mencken was right, "The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it."

...and that urge is always strongest in those who have not yet figured out how to solve their own problems.

Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:51 pm All the world's problems amount to one thing; the wrong people are in charge for the wrong reasons.

There's no one in charge, and that's the problem, the human being will step up and take charge, that's a big problem for the thinnking mind, because then that thinking mind can destroy itself using Nuclear Bombs.

That which is born of thought is destructive. There's no hope for humanity, it is doomed.

Are humans capable of being in charge?

That would be like the lion, or the elephant, or the dolphin or the octopus being in charge. It ain't happening.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:50 pm ...and that urge is always strongest in those who have not yet figured out how to solve their own problems.

Spoken like somebody who doesn't understand economies of scale.

When last did you solve your medical, legal, sanitary or water/electrical supply problems without outsourcing to somebody else?

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Spoken like somebody who doesn't understand economies of scale.

When last did you solve your medical, legal, sanitary or water/electrical supply problems without outsourcing to somebody else?
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Precisely that. The reason even the best philosopher has personal problems is that their expertise isn't in solving personal problems. The reason most politicians fail is that they don't understand the scales of population growth and environmental effects (at the global level). The reason the system is fucked up is that we divide our geopolitical systems by ancient imaginary lines rather than by necessary management districts.

All spiritual (non-empirical) problems are solved by accounting for salience, perspective, and priority. When you start talking about politics, you must add scale. The answer (framework of understanding) is simple enough, but you have to do the math to get solutions (bespoke action plans). When working with ideas like economy of scale or compound interest, you must account for scale even on a personal level.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:21 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:50 pm ...and that urge is always strongest in those who have not yet figured out how to solve their own problems.

Spoken like somebody who doesn't understand economies of scale.

When last did you solve your medical, legal, sanitary or water/electrical supply problems without outsourcing to somebody else?

What do you care how I live my life? I'm not complaining about the world, you are.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:56 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:21 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:50 pm ...and that urge is always strongest in those who have not yet figured out how to solve their own problems.

Spoken like somebody who doesn't understand economies of scale.

When last did you solve your medical, legal, sanitary or water/electrical supply problems without outsourcing to somebody else?

What do you care how I live my life?

I don't care how you live your life. I care about problem-solving.

Towards such interests it's pertinent being able to distinguish between those problems I can solve by myself and those I will need help with.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:56 am I'm not complaining about the world, you are.

Then you should be thankful for those who solved their problems collectively. They've clearly made a world you have no complaints about. It wasn't always this way.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:51 am Then you should be thankful for those who solved their problems collectively. They've clearly made a world you have no complaints about. It wasn't always this way.

Who appointed you as the authority to tell others what they should do?

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Then you should be thankful for those who solved their problems collectively. They've clearly made a world you have no complaints about. It wasn't always this way.
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Who appointed you as the authority to tell others what they should do?
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It's an IF/THEN statement, not a command. Sensitive much?

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:28 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:51 am Then you should be thankful for those who solved their problems collectively. They've clearly made a world you have no complaints about. It wasn't always this way.

Who appointed you as the authority to tell others what they should do?

Who appointed you as an ungrateful c.u.n.t?

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:33 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:28 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:51 am Then you should be thankful for those who solved their problems collectively. They've clearly made a world you have no complaints about. It wasn't always this way.

Who appointed you as the authority to tell others what they should do?

It's an IF/THEN statement, not a command. Sensitive much?

No, just curious. You and Skepdick are the one's that have problem with the world, I love it, just the way it is.

George Bernard Shaw said, "The reformer for whom the world is not good enough finds himself shoulder to shoulder with him that is not good enough for the world."

It seems strange that a socialist made that observation when almost everyone in the worlds of politics, academia, and popular media is concerned with making the world a better place. An old time preacher once said, if the world smells bad to you, it's probably your own smell that's offending you.

From Wonderful World.

There are no, "world's problems," there are only individual problems. If your world has problems they are of your own making, and no one else is obliged to solve your problems for you.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:04 pm There are no, "world's problems," there are only individual problems. If your world has problems they are of your own making, and no one else is obliged to solve your problems for you.

Do you have a DNR?

[quote]George Bernard Shaw said, "The reformer for whom the world is not good enough finds himself shoulder to shoulder with him that is not good enough for the world."

It seems strange that a socialist made that observation when almost everyone in the worlds of politics, academia, and popular media is concerned with making the world a better place. An old time preacher once said, if the world smells bad to you, it's probably your own smell that's offending you.[/quote]

That's fucking foolish. I am better than "the world" because i try to be. I am evolving by becoming better. What is the world doing?

Politicians, academicians, popular medians, and old time preachers aren't making an honest go of it because a) they don't understand bias and fallacy b) they have an extremely privileged (integrated) perspective from which they draw their understanding c) are people, and most people are idiots d) have lives, so a limited amount of time to pursue being good public servants e) or in the case of the religious and the politicians, dogma, which anticipates: z) don't prioritize truth above all else.

>>There are no, "world's problems," there are only individual problems. If your world has problems they are of your own making, and no one else is obliged to solve your problems for you.

That's fucking foolish. We collectively can have a better world in ways that we cannot individually. Stop quoting morons, please. That conservative, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps bullshit is more foolish every second as the game becomes more and more rigged. From the beginning, not everyone has fucking bootstraps, some have no boots.

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:18 pm We collectively can have a better world ....

Good. I wish you and your collective well. We foolish individualists, who are not willing to wait for your latest program, or movement, or "save the world," project to make the world a better place will satisfy ourselves with making our own lives successful and achieving all we can by our own effort. You'll get no interference from free individuals (or even notice them, until all your machines and systems fail and the money you'd steal from them is no longer available).

But good luck with your, "collective solution." Perhaps yours will work out better than the ones in Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia, and North Korea. In the meantime, enjoy your chains.

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Good. I wish you and your collective well. We foolish individualists, who are not willing to wait for your latest program, or movement, or "save the world," project to make the world a better place will satisfy ourselves with making our own lives successful and achieving all we can by our own effort. You'll get no interference from free individuals (or even notice them, until all your machines and systems fail and the money you'd steal from them is no longer available).

But good luck with your, "collective solution." Perhaps yours will work out better than the ones in Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia, and North Korea. In the meantime, enjoy your chains.
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You cannot refute my version of theory with your version of practice.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:28 pm But good luck with your, "collective solution." Perhaps yours will work out better than the ones in Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia, and North Korea. In the meantime, enjoy your chains.

Why no mention of the Collectivist States of America?