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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:23 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:15 am The distinction is clear.

Innocents die from capital punishment as the result of human error as defined by unintended consequences.

Innocents die from abortion as the result of intended consequences.

Calling good folks names doesn't change that fact of life.
(Doing such only reveals your fear and ignorance.)

Couldn't be any more clear.

That's the idea. Flush the embryos. Job done.

That’s exactly right.

Abortion is purposely killing a human being in the embryonic stage of development.

Abortion is much the same as purposely killing a human being in the aged stage of development.

Both are killed on purpose, although the methods, reasons, and justifications may differ.

But, abortion is not the same as mistakenly killing a wrongly convicted human being, via capital punishment.

Your argument is that in certain cases, purposeful killing is justified, as in the killing of a human being in the embryonic stage of development.

Your argument then contradicts itself when you say that innocent life in the adult stage of development is so precious that the risk of killing a human who has been wrongly convicted of a capital crime, is grounds to abolish purposeful death as punishment.

Then, in other threads you have advocated purposeful death of human beings (via neglect) who are living in the “ancient” state of development but again, as with abortion, without even the justification of punishment.

You seem to have a bit of the social justice warrior in you, in that you accuse others of what you yourself display, in this case, hypocrisy.

Truth is, you’re likely a victim of your own muddled thinking and prejudices. We can blame propaganda. Yeah, that's the ticket. Propaganda. The cause is third-party. Don't discount the power of conditioning.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:37 pm "More federal prisoners have been executed in the US this year, than in the previous 56 years combined." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFNWGQ_3X4 That represents a 56 fold change in something. Perhaps 56 times as many Americans have been convicted of crimes that have historically resulted in their death. At the other end of the scale, perhaps American justice is 56 times more likely to think a crime warrants execution. Who knows? But here is one person who is going to die while we think about it: https://www.themarshallproject.org/next-to-die

That's what happens when you vote a c u n t in for president.

The execution of any citizen is a mark of a failure of society.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:50 am

Abortion is purposely killing a human being in the embryonic stage of development.

Good isn't it fuckface? Flush away Especially all those unwanted in vitro embryos. Hmm. You don't have a problem with 'those' ones though...

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:32 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:17 am

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:02 pm Is the OP asserting that this would not warrant execution for the past 57 years?

Or, is it asserting something else.

hell if I know

what I do know: Bourgeois, based on the description I posted, deserves to ride the lightnin'

That's not the point of opposition to the death penalty. Of course he deserves it. No one would dispute that! But there are a hell of a lot of wrongly convicted people who have been executed--and it could happen to anyone. Sometimes it is just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Knowing how stupid most people are, I certainly wouldn't want to be judged by any of them.

How ironic that it's the anti-choicers on here who call themselves 'pro-life' who are in favour of the death penalty (and they aren't even embarrassed by that fact). Barefaced hypocrisy.

as I say (somewhere in-forum) I don't favor state-run executions (cuz, of course, I don't favor the state)

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:05 am The distinction is simple.

Capital punishment is deserved punishment.

Abortion is not deserved punishment.

That distinction is simply wrong.

Abortion is not "punishment".

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:59 am all of these criminals were convicted long before 2020 and have been running appeals for the last 10+ years

-Imp

Suppose we grant that certain crimes deserve the death penalty and that everyone recently and about to be executed is guilty of such a crime; why now?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:25 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:05 am The distinction is simple.

Capital punishment is deserved punishment.

Abortion is not deserved punishment.

That distinction is simply wrong.

Abortion is not "punishment".

no, it's not: it's murder

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:40 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:25 pmAbortion is not "punishment".

no, it's not: it's murder

So what sort of punishment does abortion deserve?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:40 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:25 pm Abortion is not "punishment".

no, it's not: it's murder

It's not that either.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:49 pm So what sort of punishment does abortion deserve?

So what sort of punishment does punishing abortion deserve?

And... who should punish the punishers?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

tillingborn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:49 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:40 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:25 pmAbortion is not "punishment".

no, it's not: it's murder

So what sort of punishment does abortion deserve?

as I say in multiple places: a man's life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without good cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

a life for an unjustly taken life

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:57 pm as I say in multiple places: a man's life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without good cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

a life for an unjustly taken life

So what is the "good cause" which makes capital punishment "just" ?

Because if you can't justify it, it's only fair to punish capital punishers with capital punishment.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:49 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:40 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:25 pm Abortion is not "punishment".

no, it's not: it's murder

It's not that either.

sure it is: killin' without good cause is always murder

doesn't matter if the person killed is inside or outside a womb

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:59 pm sure it is: killin' without good cause is always murder

Then capital punishment is murder.