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Uh oh, demarcation issues. You have to be so careful these days.
Because Christianity and most religions have a group identity, (hence group ego). An us vs them mentality...of course they think god is on their side. Its just too bad most have no idea what god really is. Its not some guy floating in the clouds. Its right in front of you and can be experienced directly.philosopher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:05 pm According to Christianity, Jesus died on the cross, he was ressurrected and is expected to return some day to outdo evil in the world.
With countless evil deeds, like fascism, nazism, stalinism etc. now 2000 years after Jesus' supposedly ressurrection, why do Christians still believe in their deity being omnipotent+omnibenevolent?
In the 'rope and snake' example it is very easy to expose the illusory effect, i.e. by moving near and pick up the rope to confirm it is a rope and not a snake.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:04 amNothing is wrong..I’m just saying that any thing known is a projection, an interpretation believed to be real. Any believed projection will inevitably manifest, albeit an illusion.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:31 amYour point do not make any sense to the OP at all.
From one perspective, that "Christians believe they have God on their side" is also a projection. So what wrong if my points are also projections.
The ability to be able to Distinguish between the rope and the snake is all that’s needed to dispel illusion and see clarity for what it is, metaphorically speaking.
The brain/mind is a deceptive appearance in that which is never decieved.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:23 amIn the 'rope and snake' example it is very easy to expose the illusory effect, i.e. by moving near and pick up the rope to confirm it is a rope and not a snake.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:04 amNothing is wrong..I’m just saying that any thing known is a projection, an interpretation believed to be real. Any believed projection will inevitably manifest, albeit an illusion.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:31 am Your point do not make any sense to the OP at all.
From one perspective, that "Christians believe they have God on their side" is also a projection. So what wrong if my points are also projections.
The ability to be able to Distinguish between the rope and the snake is all that’s needed to dispel illusion and see clarity for what it is, metaphorically speaking.
But you are caught in an illusion that is based on thoughts and reason.
Because thoughts are more complicated it is very difficult for you to understand and verify your conclusion of the existence of the Ultimate ONE is an illusion.
Point is your brain/mind has deceived and compelled you to believe the Ultimate ONE is real when it is actually an illusion.
Note the image of the distorted face, where your brain/mind had deceived you to perceive a normal face.
This same deception is in effect when you perceived that is the Ultimate ONE is a real thing when it is an illusion.
That's it in a nutshell.Ramu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:44 pmBecause Christianity and most religions have a group identity, (hence group ego). An us vs them mentality...of course they think god is on their side.philosopher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:05 pm According to Christianity, Jesus died on the cross, he was ressurrected and is expected to return some day to outdo evil in the world.
With countless evil deeds, like fascism, nazism, stalinism etc. now 2000 years after Jesus' supposedly ressurrection, why do Christians still believe in their deity being omnipotent+omnibenevolent?
Congratulations Reflex; best line of the night. What does any of this have to do with Christianity?
Your above points are not going anywhere.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:50 amThe brain/mind is a deceptive appearance in that which is never decieved.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:23 amIn the 'rope and snake' example it is very easy to expose the illusory effect, i.e. by moving near and pick up the rope to confirm it is a rope and not a snake.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:04 am
Nothing is wrong..I’m just saying that any thing known is a projection, an interpretation believed to be real. Any believed projection will inevitably manifest, albeit an illusion.
The ability to be able to Distinguish between the rope and the snake is all that’s needed to dispel illusion and see clarity for what it is, metaphorically speaking.
But you are caught in an illusion that is based on thoughts and reason.
Because thoughts are more complicated it is very difficult for you to understand and verify your conclusion of the existence of the Ultimate ONE is an illusion.
Point is your brain/mind has deceived and compelled you to believe the Ultimate ONE is real when it is actually an illusion.
Note the image of the distorted face, where your brain/mind had deceived you to perceive a normal face.
This same deception is in effect when you perceived that is the Ultimate ONE is a real thing when it is an illusion.
The brain is not the perceiver..it is the receiver....it is the perceived...
There is nowhere to go - there is always just this presence, present - herenow - nowhere. Perfect in every way shape and form.
Note this is a Philosophy Forum where one must be 'somewhere' within its bearings.
I was referring to the Scientific and psychological knowledge of the brain and you condemned thatThe rest of your post is just intellectual jargon signifying nothing but a bunch of random thoughts believed to be real, a jumbled story told by no one.
Don't you mean the realm of knowledge?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:16 amNote this is a Philosophy Forum where one must be 'somewhere' within its bearings.
This is not a asylum where there is no where in la la land.
Oh really, that's funny, because my brain has never informed me there is something wrong with it.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:16 amI was referring to the Scientific and psychological knowledge.
Something is very wrong with your brain?
Every field of knowledge has its specific Framework and System where its principles, limits, assumptions, etc. are defined.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:26 amDon't you mean the realm of knowledge?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:16 amNote this is a Philosophy Forum where one must be 'somewhere' within its bearings.
This is not a asylum where there is no where in la la land.
Note, generally, the brains of mental patients will never tell them there is something mentally wrong within their brain.Oh really, that's funny, because my brain has never informed me there is something wrong with it.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:16 amI was referring to the Scientific and psychological knowledge.
Something is very wrong with your brain?
Who is this I you are referring to ..is that one who is just an illusion?
If not, please explain who the knower is?
I suppose I could ask my brain to stop being so very wrong, like I could ask my heart to stop beating, or I could ask the colour of my eyes to be a different colour, or I could ask my daughter to stop being my daughter.
But I think that's just being slightly irrational don't you think?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:49 amEvery field of knowledge has its specific Framework and System where its principles, limits, assumptions, etc. are defined.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:26 amDon't you mean the realm of knowledge?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:16 amNote this is a Philosophy Forum where one must be 'somewhere' within its bearings.
This is not a asylum where there is no where in la la land.
Note for example the the Scientific Framework and System has its own principles, processes, limits and assumption. A theory cannot qualified as 'scientific' if it does not comply with its requirement.
It is the same with this specific Philosophy Forum which is not for Sex, Sports, Parenthood, and other non-Philosophical topics.
Note, generally, the brains of mental patients will never tell them there is something mentally wrong within their brain.Oh really, that's funny, because my brain has never informed me there is something wrong with it.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:16 amI was referring to the Scientific and psychological knowledge.
Something is very wrong with your brain?
Who is this I you are referring to ..is that one who is just an illusion?
If not, please explain who the knower is?
I suppose I could ask my brain to stop being so very wrong, like I could ask my heart to stop beating, or I could ask the colour of my eyes to be a different colour, or I could ask my daughter to stop being my daughter.
But I think that's just being slightly irrational don't you think?
It is only from their unusual acts and thinking that a psychiatrist can infer there is something wrong with their brain. Corrective actions and drugs will often bring them back to normality.
To me it is very unusual for you to condemn the facts [not my opinions or beliefs] I have presented as 'bullshit' jargons. You should at least prove it rather than merely waived off the point as rubbish.
Might "this" be yours? Might there be many ways and dimensions to perceive/experience? What rules, definitions, and ultimate truth do you imagine?
The way you imagine it to be something for others to find is very telling. (Seems religious.) Why would anyone need to stand where you do and see what you do? Why do so many people think that what they see is THE truth, and others need to see the same? Perhaps you will eventually discover other vantage points from your current one. Maybe what you currently see is just one facet of a prism.
''Other'' is mental activity.
