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[bobevenson]

You have alienated EVERY MEMBER of this forum.

Wow, that would be 100%, and even Ivory soap is only 99 and 44/100% pure!

[Bill Wiltrack]

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This is why you can't have nice things.




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[Kayla]

I think that people who don't like unions SHOULD live in right-to-work states.

i have no problem with unions

i have a problem with mandatory membership in any organization

i have a problem with someone telling me that i cannot go to work or they will beat the crap out of me (if its a blue collar union) or key my car (ifs its a teachers union or some shit like that)

[bobevenson]

This is why you can't have nice things.

That reminds me of an old "Blondie" comic strip, where this bum in a beret is always trying to hit up Dagwood for a handout. The bum asks Dagwood to contribute to a velvet smoking jacket he wants to buy. Dagwood asks, "Why on Earth would you want a velvet smoking jacket?" The bum says, "Just because I'm poor doesn't mean I don't like nice things."

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Wait a minute...I, I must be getting you mixed-up with another member here... Are you saying - ? - Do you now live in a mandatory union state?

I'm a union guy but, I've never heard of such a state.


Where is it?

I can't think of a possible scenario, in an existing democracy, where a mandatory membership in a union would exist.


Could you help me out on this before we go any further?





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[bobevenson]

I can't think of a possible scenario, in an existing democracy, where a mandatory membership in a union would exist.

Get off it, Bill, you know as well as I do that union membership is mandatory, otherwise an employee could refuse to join and still get the same benefits without paying union dues. Where the hell have you been?

check·off/ˈ[chek-awf, -of]
noun
1. the collection of union dues by employers through compulsory deduction from each worker's wages.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I don't understand what you are saying...WHY would someone, again, in a country with at least a modicum of democracy, be forced to be an employee of a particular company?


I honestly never heard of that...




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[Bill Wiltrack]

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I think you are confusing me...are you the same member who originally asked this question?



If you are please answer the question that I had asked you...before we go on any further.




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[Bill Wiltrack]

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Wait a minute...I, I must be getting you mixed-up with another member here... Are you saying - ? - Do you now live in a mandatory union state?

I'm a union guy but, I've never heard of such a state.


Where is it?

I can't think of a possible scenario, in an existing democracy, where a mandatory membership in a union would exist.


Could you help me out on this before we go any further?





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[Kayla]

WHY would someone, again, in a country with at least a modicum of democracy, be forced to be an employee of a particular company?

are you on drugs bill?

[Kayla]

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Wait a minute...I, I must be getting you mixed-up with another member here... Are you saying - ? - Do you now live in a mandatory union state?

I'm a union guy but, I've never heard of such a state.

so you are telling me that if i get a job with a company that has a union and I dont want to join it i do not have do - anywhere in the usa?

[Arising_uk]

Get off it, Bill, you know as well as I do that union membership is mandatory, otherwise an employee could refuse to join and still get the same benefits without paying union dues. Where the hell have you been? ...

Not sure how it works in America but over here in the UK this is exactly how it works. All get the terms and conditions negotiated by the union, what they don't get is legal representation if they have a dispute with their employers. Of course they could work for less if they wanted.

[Arising_uk]

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I can't think of a possible scenario, in an existing democracy, where a mandatory membership in a union would exist.
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Not sure of the history of unions in the States but over here the 'closed-shop' was pretty much the norm until it was made illegal.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Yeah. You are right. I should have said, in an existing democracy.



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[Bill Wiltrack]

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To the other member; Let me make sure I have this correct because this is really sounding bazaar to me. Even though I accept that this really happened to you...the story sounds like the ones used on right-wing radio programs by shills that only think in slogans.




Just to be straight: You are telling me you wanted a job at a company that had a union agreement in-place.



Why were you drawn to that company?




You live in a state where there is NO alternative to a union job?




Employment with a company that has a legal, recognized, union agreement in-place generally means great wages, excellent benefits, and a recognition of a need for the spiritual aspect of being a human.




You are telling me - and I, for now, believe this...You were forced to take a job at a company that had a legal, recognized, union agreement in-place. Just HOW does that happen???What country & state do you live in???


You then were beat-up and your car was keyed. Was there a police report? Were there charges?






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PLEASE answer the above questions.



While I am waiting for your reply I will be feverishly researching to discover what state you work in.



I AM PRAYING YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.


Credibility here at the Philosophy Now Forums is a bit like virginity. Once you lose it...you don't get it back.



...I'll wait right here...




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