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There's something seriously wrong with you not being understand the question: "What is the point of your point?"Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm There's something seriously wrong with it being this difficult for you to understand this.
I just told you why I was saying it.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:22 pmThere's something seriously wrong with you not being understand the question: "What is the point of your point?"Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm There's something seriously wrong with it being this difficult for you to understand this.
I understand WHAT you are saying.
I don't understand WHY you are saying it.
It was insufficient why given the context.
So... you know when the other day I asked you to give me an example of something objective (mind-independent) and you asserted "Rain".Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:26 pm Assertions/propositions are necessarily subjective. (That is, they only exist in heads.)
The subjective/objective distinction isn't an indexical location distinction. It's just a location distinction.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:28 pmSo... you know when the other day I asked you to give me an example of something objective (mind-independent) and you asserted "Rain".Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:26 pm Assertions/propositions are necessarily subjective. (That is, they only exist in heads.)
Rain is a phenomenon external to YOUR mind, therefore "rain" is objective.
Other people's moralities are phenomena external to YOUR mind, therefore "morality" is objective.
That's incoherent.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:29 pm The subjective/objective distinction isn't an indexical location distinction. It's just a location distinction.
Which is irrelevant, because it's not an indexical distinction.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:30 pmThat's incoherent.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:29 pm The subjective/objective distinction isn't an indexical location distinction. It's just a location distinction.
My mind is ____ from your index.
Everything is an indexical distinction.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:31 pm Which is irrelevant, because it's not an indexical distinction.
Is "person" an indexical distinction? You're a person if you're making the distinction, but I'm not a person to you?Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:32 pmEverything is an indexical distinction.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:31 pm Which is irrelevant, because it's not an indexical distinction.
If it isn't, then who's making it?
I am not a person.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:33 pm Is "person" an indexical distinction? You're a person if you're making the distinction, but I'm not a person to you?
Yeah, this is a good, intellectually honest discussion. Well done.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pmI am not a person.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:33 pm Is "person" an indexical distinction? You're a person if you're making the distinction, but I'm not a person to you?
I am Skepdick. You are not me.
I use computation, I am not a computer.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:35 pm How about "computer"? Your computer is a computer, but your neighbors computer (from his perspective) is something else from your perspective?
Yeah, that was the question, whether you were a computer. Well done.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:36 pmI use computation, I am not a computer.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:35 pm How about "computer"? Your computer is a computer, but your neighbors computer (from his perspective) is something else from your perspective?
I use behaviourism, I am not a behaviourist.
I use logic, I am not a logician,
I use philosophy, I am not a philosopher.
I use instruments, I am not an instrumentalist.
Why is this confusing you? I reject the ontological status of your labels.