Is morality objective or subjective?

[Skepdick]

There's something seriously wrong with it being this difficult for you to understand this.

There's something seriously wrong with you not being understand the question: "What is the point of your point?"

I understand WHAT you are saying.
I don't understand WHY you are saying it.

[Terrapin Station]

There's something seriously wrong with it being this difficult for you to understand this.

There's something seriously wrong with you not being understand the question: "What is the point of your point?"

I understand WHAT you are saying.
I don't understand WHY you are saying it.

I just told you why I was saying it.

[Skepdick]

I just told you why I was saying it.

It was insufficient why given the context.

Would you say that it is a subjective or an objective assertion THAT morality exists only in heads?

[Terrapin Station]

I just told you why I was saying it.

It was an insufficient why given the context.

Would you say that it is a subjective or an objective assertion THAT morality exists only in heads?

Assertions/propositions are necessarily subjective. (That is, they only exist in heads.)

[Skepdick]

Assertions/propositions are necessarily subjective. (That is, they only exist in heads.)

So... you know when the other day I asked you to give me an example of something objective (mind-independent) and you asserted "Rain".

Rain is a phenomenon external to YOUR mind, therefore "rain" is objective.
Other people's moralities are phenomena external to YOUR mind, therefore "morality" is objective.

[Terrapin Station]

Assertions/propositions are necessarily subjective. (That is, they only exist in heads.)

So... you know when the other day I asked you to give me an example of something objective (mind-independent) and you asserted "Rain".

Rain is a phenomenon external to YOUR mind, therefore "rain" is objective.
Other people's moralities are phenomena external to YOUR mind, therefore "morality" is objective.

The subjective/objective distinction isn't an indexical location distinction. It's just a location distinction.

[Skepdick]

The subjective/objective distinction isn't an indexical location distinction. It's just a location distinction.

That's incoherent.

My mind is independent from your mind. My mind is objective from your index.

[Terrapin Station]

The subjective/objective distinction isn't an indexical location distinction. It's just a location distinction.

That's incoherent.

My mind is ____ from your index.

Which is irrelevant, because it's not an indexical distinction.

[Skepdick]

Which is irrelevant, because it's not an indexical distinction.

Everything is an indexical distinction.

If it isn't, then who's making it?

[Terrapin Station]

Which is irrelevant, because it's not an indexical distinction.

Everything is an indexical distinction.

If it isn't, then who's making it?

Is "person" an indexical distinction? You're a person if you're making the distinction, but I'm not a person to you?

[Skepdick]

Is "person" an indexical distinction? You're a person if you're making the distinction, but I'm not a person to you?

I am not a person.

I am Skepdick. You are not me.

[Terrapin Station]

How about "computer"? Your computer is a computer, but your neighbor's computer (from his perspective) is something else from your perspective?

[Terrapin Station]

Is "person" an indexical distinction? You're a person if you're making the distinction, but I'm not a person to you?

I am not a person.

I am Skepdick. You are not me.

Yeah, this is a good, intellectually honest discussion. Well done.

[Skepdick]

How about "computer"? Your computer is a computer, but your neighbors computer (from his perspective) is something else from your perspective?

I use computation, I am not a computer.
I use behaviourism, I am not a behaviourist.
I use logic, I am not a logician,
I use philosophy, I am not a philosopher.
I use instruments, I am not an instrumentalist.

Why is this confusing you? I reject the ontological status of your labels.

[Terrapin Station]

How about "computer"? Your computer is a computer, but your neighbors computer (from his perspective) is something else from your perspective?

I use computation, I am not a computer.
I use behaviourism, I am not a behaviourist.
I use logic, I am not a logician,
I use philosophy, I am not a philosopher.
I use instruments, I am not an instrumentalist.

Why is this confusing you? I reject the ontological status of your labels.

Yeah, that was the question, whether you were a computer. Well done.