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daniel j lavender wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 2:55 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 2:46 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 11:19 pm

Hardly relevant.
A "whore" sells sex for money. That is definitively not free sex. So it seems y0u continue to talk bollocks.

You are trivialising the issue.
How many of the half million raped women each year in the USA, get pregnant and wish to terminate the child of her abuser?

What does rape have to do with it? Whatever a woman's reason for needing to terminate her pregnancy is her business, and her's alone.

And thus evidence of the truth is revealed.

Most abortions occur because humans are recklessly rubbing the meat, mindlessly partaking of cheap, carnal gratification without forethought or responsibility.

Not even rodents participate in such grotesque activity.

..actually rodents shag just like the rest of us, and if they don't want offspring they eat them.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:58 am What do you mean by I don't believe in God?

You don't, do you?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:04 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:58 am What do you mean by I don't believe in God?

You don't, do you?

Well, I am a Christian that knows there is an intelligence behind the real time construct of reality, so I guess I don't believe. One can know God exists and yet not believe in its purpose with relation to ones life, perhaps that was what you were alluding to?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 1:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:37 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 11:22 pm Why is abortion 'vile'? Is someone forcing you to have one?

You don't think that murdering people is vile?

That's not what I asked. Why is abortion vile?

I answered: it's vile in the way all infanticide, and all murder is, but compounded by the helplessness of the victim, the extreme violence of the death, and her right to have compassion and care from her mother which is denied her by vicious hands.

You couldn't get a more vile crime, probably.

And you know it. Of that, I'm certain.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:09 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:04 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:58 am What do you mean by I don't believe in God?

You don't, do you?

Well, I am a Christian that knows there is an intelligence behind the real time construct of reality, so I guess I don't believe. One can know God exists and yet not believe in its purpose with relation to ones life, perhaps that was what you were alluding to?

Well, you're not a Christian if you're only a Deist...and right now, Deism is what you're describing, not Christianity.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:11 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 1:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:37 am
You don't think that murdering people is vile?

That's not what I asked. Why is abortion vile?

I answered: it's vile in the way all infanticide, and all murder is, but compounded by the helplessness of the victim, the extreme violence of the death, and her right to have compassion and care from her mother which is denied her by vicious hands.

You couldn't get a more vile crime, probably.

And you know it. Of that, I'm certain.

Ridiculous, comical, bullshit fantasy on your part. You obviously don't have a clue what abortion involves and don't want to know.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:11 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:09 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:04 am
You don't, do you?

Well, I am a Christian that knows there is an intelligence behind the real time construct of reality, so I guess I don't believe. One can know God exists and yet not believe in its purpose with relation to ones life, perhaps that was what you were alluding to?

Well, you're not a Christian if you're only a Deist...and right now, Deism is what you're describing, not Christianity.

Sometimes you really do talk tripe. Of course you are the only Christian in the village! I've stated before what I consider defines someone as Christian and it's rather simple. Belief in the life, words and actions of Christ and living according to those (as best one can).

daniel j lavender wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 11:36 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 11:19 pm

daniel j lavender wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 7:53 pm

Don't pretend we're not living in an era of "free love" and open promiscuity where sexual activity is advertised and promoted. It's celebrated.

Hardly relevant.
A "whore" sells sex for money. That is definitively not free sex. So it seems y0u continue to talk bollocks.

You conveniently skipped over the rest of my comment:

daniel j lavender wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 7:53 pm Simply observe mass media for a bit. Youtube, for example, where minor channels and content creators can't question the Holocaust but multi-million subscriber music channels can celebrate and sell mindless molestation and sexuality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs).

Society celebrates and stimulates sexual activity only for citizens to complain of rape.

Are you a virgin??

You have a serious problem with your sexuality.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:11 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 1:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:37 am
You don't think that murdering people is vile?

That's not what I asked. Why is abortion vile?

I answered: it's vile in the way all infanticide, and all murder is, but compounded by the helplessness of the victim, the extreme violence of the death, and her right to have compassion and care from her mother which is denied her by vicious hands.

You couldn't get a more vile crime, probably.

And you know it. Of that, I'm certain.

Demanding that a rape victim carry her foetus full term is a more vile crime.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

Even Italy understands that access to safe, legal abortion is an essential part of the healthcare system. Women aren't going to be driven back to the dark ages. Women aren't the powerless creatures they once were, beholden to male whims, loathed by sex-and-power-obsessed kristianity.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:11 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:09 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:04 am
You don't, do you?

Well, I am a Christian that knows there is an intelligence behind the real time construct of reality, so I guess I don't believe. One can know God exists and yet not believe in its purpose with relation to ones life, perhaps that was what you were alluding to?

Well, you're not a Christian

And you are?

So it's only safe, legal abortion that you have a problem with. You are fine with deadly backstreet abortions, where BOTH the mother and embryo are destroyed. Got it. That's 'just desserts' for whores right? Do you think IVF doctors are evil murderers? Do you think women who take the morning after pill should be imprisoned for life? I mean, it can work by preventing a 'sacred fertilised egg' from implanting in the womb. That's MURDER according to you and your ilk.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:36 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:11 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:09 am

Well, I am a Christian that knows there is an intelligence behind the real time construct of reality, so I guess I don't believe. One can know God exists and yet not believe in its purpose with relation to ones life, perhaps that was what you were alluding to?

Well, you're not a Christian

And you are?

So it's only safe, legal abortion that you have a problem with. You are fine with deadly backstreet abortions, where BOTH the mother and embryo are destroyed. Got it. Do you think IVF doctors are evil murderers? Do you think women who take the morning after pill should be imprisoned for life? I mean, it can work by preventing a 'sacred fertilised egg' from implanting in the womb. That's MURDER.

Sad fact is, a forum that is supposed to be a place for THE wisdom of rational debate has been overrun by the usurping foolishness of USAdian 'Christian' mentality (I apologise to those of you that actually real eyes a man did not speak the Heaven and Earth into existence)..as I am a Christian that delves a tad deeper...fallible as I am.

You're living in an alternate reality.

The USA has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 3:18 pm You're living in an alternate reality.

The USA has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.

...walker, and excuse the pun, we are not literally talking about people walking around the streets with coat hangers in hand hoping for a dime.

As a good Christian and I am sure Immanuel Can would agree, there is nothing wrong with the rectum should one concern oneself with getting the other one pregnant.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 9:54 pm

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 7:01 pm

iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:38 pm Here's the thing I'm still fuzzy about...

Can the Congress then pass legislation that literally makes all abortions illegal? Legislation the president then signs and enforces. Law that is then backed by the Supremes?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 11:19 pmThat's not what they've done. It's not even what anybody has tried to do.

All the Supreme Court has said is that R v. W. was not a federal issue, one over which the federal government had rightful say. They haven't said that they are planning to ban abortion, or that the individual states will do so. They've just said, essentially, that provision of abortions is a matter that has to be decided at the state level.

But my question was once the Supremes overturn Roe, can a Republican Congress and Presidency down the road -- a re-elected Trump? -- pass legislation that does make all [or almost all] abortions illegal? The states be damned?

No. This decision means that they no longer have any jurisdiction to do so. That will not happen.

I wish it would. But it cannot.

The matter will be settled as far as constitutional privacy rights relate to abortion.

In the United States, you can sue anyone for anything. The chances for succeeding?

If life in the womb is recognized as deserving the inherent human right to life *, then a state law that makes abortion legal, can be challenged as illegal. If the challenge fails, the decision can be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court.

Then the SCOTUS, which is an appellate court, has the jurisdiction to either not hear the case, or to hear the case and either strike down the state law, or hear the case and affirm the state law, which they would effectively do by ruling on the specific case that's based on the state law.

The appeal will no longer be appealing the Roe v Wade decision. The appeal will be new. It will be appealing the new basis of the new state law, that no longer hinges on Roe v Wade. It will be based on another line of constitutional reasoning, but not the right to privacy. On this basis, the Supremes do have jurisdiction over state law.

Just as they would have jurisdiction over a state law that legalized slavery, or murder.


* Because science says that life begins at conception, the sway of science could prevail over the Leftist politics that denies that life in the womb is a human life.