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No need to be so pedantic in this case, note Principle of Charity,bahman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:24 pmI mean consciousness is the state of awareness so unconscious awareness is meaningless.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:17 amDogmatism of words, note Principle of Charity and let's be realistic.
Awareness is a relative concept. It may be focused on an internal state, such as a visceral feeling, or on external events by way of sensory perception.[2] It is analogous to sensing something, a process distinguished from observing and perceiving (which involves a basic process of acquainting with the items we perceive).[3] Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness
What is the definition of consciousness?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:53 amNo need to be so pedantic in this case, note Principle of Charity,bahman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:24 pmI mean consciousness is the state of awareness so unconscious awareness is meaningless.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:17 am
Dogmatism of words, note Principle of Charity and let's be realistic.
you have to refer to the contexts and details of how the term is defined.
Note the meaning of awareness beside being related to 'consciousness'.
Awareness is a relative concept. It may be focused on an internal state, such as a visceral feeling, or on external events by way of sensory perception.[2] It is analogous to sensing something, a process distinguished from observing and perceiving (which involves a basic process of acquainting with the items we perceive).[3] Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness
Again, <whoosh> right over your head re my comment.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:38 amYou don't seem to be highly cognitive of pattern recognition, effective problem solving, efficiency, and other related positives.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:34 pmWhat I'm saying when I say that I don't buy the notion of an unconscious (or "subconscious") mind is this:Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:02 am I believe the issue of the 'conscious' versus the 'unconscious mind is an issue due to terminology and definition plus also ideological . . .
I don't buy that there are phenomena that are more or less just like thoughts, ideas, concepts, desires, etc., but where the only difference is that some of the phenomena in question are phenomena that we're not aware of.
Obviously there's unconscious brain activity, but I don't believe there is any good reason to believe that it's more or less the same as thought, etc.
Under the Philosophy of Thought, it would be very inefficient to lump every types of thought as merely 'more or less the same as thought'.
The subject of thought range from 'the origin and source of thoughts" to how thoughts are manifested into actions, how thoughts are stored, processed etc. etc.
In any intellectual and problem solving endeavor, the most critical starting point is to look for patterns in all activities and group those with common features.Because thought underlies many human actions and interactions, understanding its physical and metaphysical origins and its effects has been a longstanding goal of many academic disciplines including philosophy, linguistics, psychology, neuroscience, artificial intelligence, biology, sociology and cognitive science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought
My forte is Problem Solving Techniques;
Note this fishbone technique;
Whatever the name,
there are two distinct types of thoughts from the same brain, i.e.Thus whenever someone used the term 'subconscious mind' not referring to a homunculus within, it is acceptable upon invoking the principle of charit
- 1. "conscious" deliberately thought of.. and the likes
2. "unconscious" subconscious, subliminal, not-consciously-aware, etc.
The problem with most [not you] from the analytic philosophy tradition is, they will jump at the term 'subconscious mind' with subconscious 'fear' then rage as if they have seen a ghost, without any concession for the above explanations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousnessbahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:59 amWhat is the definition of consciousness?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:53 amNo need to be so pedantic in this case, note Principle of Charity,
you have to refer to the contexts and details of how the term is defined.
Note the meaning of awareness beside being related to 'consciousness'.
Awareness is a relative concept. It may be focused on an internal state, such as a visceral feeling, or on external events by way of sensory perception.[2] It is analogous to sensing something, a process distinguished from observing and perceiving (which involves a basic process of acquainting with the items we perceive).[3] Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness
You complained I never answered your question.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:51 pmAgain, <whoosh> right over your head re my comment.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:38 amYou don't seem to be highly cognitive of pattern recognition, effective problem solving, efficiency, and other related positives.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:34 pm
What I'm saying when I say that I don't buy the notion of an unconscious (or "subconscious") mind is this:
I don't buy that there are phenomena that are more or less just like thoughts, ideas, concepts, desires, etc., but where the only difference is that some of the phenomena in question are phenomena that we're not aware of.
Obviously there's unconscious brain activity, but I don't believe there is any good reason to believe that it's more or less the same as thought, etc.
Under the Philosophy of Thought, it would be very inefficient to lump every types of thought as merely 'more or less the same as thought'.
The subject of thought range from 'the origin and source of thoughts" to how thoughts are manifested into actions, how thoughts are stored, processed etc. etc.
In any intellectual and problem solving endeavor, the most critical starting point is to look for patterns in all activities and group those with common features.Because thought underlies many human actions and interactions, understanding its physical and metaphysical origins and its effects has been a longstanding goal of many academic disciplines including philosophy, linguistics, psychology, neuroscience, artificial intelligence, biology, sociology and cognitive science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought
My forte is Problem Solving Techniques;
Note this fishbone technique;
Whatever the name,
there are two distinct types of thoughts from the same brain, i.e.Thus whenever someone used the term 'subconscious mind' not referring to a homunculus within, it is acceptable upon invoking the principle of charit
- 1. "conscious" deliberately thought of.. and the likes
2. "unconscious" subconscious, subliminal, not-consciously-aware, etc.
The problem with most [not you] from the analytic philosophy tradition is, they will jump at the term 'subconscious mind' with subconscious 'fear' then rage as if they have seen a ghost, without any concession for the above explanations.
There are people who posit that there are phenomena like thoughts, desires, etc. but that we're not aware of. I don't buy that there's a good reason to buy that idea.
Are you familiar with the concept of subliminal thoughts?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:30 pmThere are people who posit that there are phenomena like thoughts, desires, etc. but that we're not aware of. I don't buy that there's a good reason to buy that idea.
The above are supported by researched findings.Subliminal stimuli (/sʌbˈlɪmɪnəl/) (the prefix sub- literally means "below, or less than"),[1] contrary to supraliminal stimuli or "above threshold", are any sensory stimuli below an individual's threshold for conscious perception.[2]
A 2012 review of functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) studies showed that subliminal stimuli activate specific regions of the brain despite participants' unawareness.[3] Visual stimuli may be quickly flashed before an individual can process them, or flashed and then masked to interrupt processing.
Audio stimuli may be played below audible volumes or masked by other stimuli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_stimuli
