What is a right action?

[Walker]

Really, there is no insult intended.

It is an honest and straight observation.

I wouldn't waste our time.

[Walker]

Philosophy forums have got to be one of the top ego-eggshell-tiptoe places to exchange ideas.

[Advocate]

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Philosophy forums have got to be one of the top ego-eggshell-tiptoe places to exchange ideas.
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Fuck off, Nazi!

[Walker]

Doesn't take much to bring out your true colors, say wot?

Obviously, my posting was the right action to flush out ignorance and bigotry.

Truth often has that effect, don't you know.

[Advocate]

[quote=Walker post_id=497255 time=1613677420 user_id=11599]
Doesn't take much to bring out your true colors, say wot?

Obviously, my posting was the right action to flush out ignorance and bigotry.

:wink:
[/quote]

The appropriate response is "Takes one to know one." after which we shake hands and call each other Comrade.

[Walker]

Doesn't take much to bring out your true colors, say wot?

Obviously, my posting was the right action to flush out ignorance and bigotry.

The appropriate response is "Takes one to know one." after which we shake hands and call each other Comrade.

That means if you think Hitler was a monster, then you're a monster.

Fortunately, I don't know you.

But I get the gist of your cliche.

[Advocate]

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[quote=Advocate post_id=497258 time=1613678048 user_id=15238]
[quote=Walker post_id=497255 time=1613677420 user_id=11599]
Doesn't take much to bring out your true colors, say wot?

Obviously, my posting was the right action to flush out ignorance and bigotry.

:wink:
[/quote]

The appropriate response is "Takes one to know one." after which we shake hands and call each other Comrade.
[/quote]

That means if you think Hitler was a monster, then you're a monster.

Fortunately, I don't know you.

But I get the gist of your cliche.
[/quote]

Something something the socialism part of national socialism.

[Veritas Aequitas]

There is no such thing as unconscious awareness but subconscious awareness.

Dogmatism of words, note Principle of Charity and let's be realistic.

I mean consciousness is the state of awareness so unconscious awareness is meaningless.

No need to be so pedantic in this case, note Principle of Charity,
you have to refer to the contexts and details of how the term is defined.
Note the meaning of awareness beside being related to 'consciousness'.

Awareness is a relative concept. It may be focused on an internal state, such as a visceral feeling, or on external events by way of sensory perception.[2] It is analogous to sensing something, a process distinguished from observing and perceiving (which involves a basic process of acquainting with the items we perceive).[3] Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness

[bahman]

Dogmatism of words, note Principle of Charity and let's be realistic.

I mean consciousness is the state of awareness so unconscious awareness is meaningless.

No need to be so pedantic in this case, note Principle of Charity,
you have to refer to the contexts and details of how the term is defined.
Note the meaning of awareness beside being related to 'consciousness'.

Awareness is a relative concept. It may be focused on an internal state, such as a visceral feeling, or on external events by way of sensory perception.[2] It is analogous to sensing something, a process distinguished from observing and perceiving (which involves a basic process of acquainting with the items we perceive).[3] Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness

What is the definition of consciousness?

[Advocate]

>>Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness

That merely conflates awareness and sentience instead of awareness and consciousness.

[Terrapin Station]

I believe the issue of the 'conscious' versus the 'unconscious mind is an issue due to terminology and definition plus also ideological . . .

What I'm saying when I say that I don't buy the notion of an unconscious (or "subconscious") mind is this:

I don't buy that there are phenomena that are more or less just like thoughts, ideas, concepts, desires, etc., but where the only difference is that some of the phenomena in question are phenomena that we're not aware of.

Obviously there's unconscious brain activity, but I don't believe there is any good reason to believe that it's more or less the same as thought, etc.

You don't seem to be highly cognitive of pattern recognition, effective problem solving, efficiency, and other related positives.

Under the Philosophy of Thought, it would be very inefficient to lump every types of thought as merely 'more or less the same as thought'.

The subject of thought range from 'the origin and source of thoughts" to how thoughts are manifested into actions, how thoughts are stored, processed etc. etc.

Because thought underlies many human actions and interactions, understanding its physical and metaphysical origins and its effects has been a longstanding goal of many academic disciplines including philosophy, linguistics, psychology, neuroscience, artificial intelligence, biology, sociology and cognitive science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought

In any intellectual and problem solving endeavor, the most critical starting point is to look for patterns in all activities and group those with common features.

My forte is Problem Solving Techniques;
Note this fishbone technique;



Whatever the name,
there are two distinct types of thoughts from the same brain, i.e.

• 1. "conscious" deliberately thought of.. and the likes
  2. "unconscious" subconscious, subliminal, not-consciously-aware, etc.

Thus whenever someone used the term 'subconscious mind' not referring to a homunculus within, it is acceptable upon invoking the principle of charit
The problem with most [not you] from the analytic philosophy tradition is, they will jump at the term 'subconscious mind' with subconscious 'fear' then rage as if they have seen a ghost, without any concession for the above explanations.

Again, <whoosh> right over your head re my comment.

If we're positing an unconscious/"subconscious" mind, there has to be something about it that resembles mind.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I mean consciousness is the state of awareness so unconscious awareness is meaningless.

No need to be so pedantic in this case, note Principle of Charity,
you have to refer to the contexts and details of how the term is defined.
Note the meaning of awareness beside being related to 'consciousness'.

Awareness is a relative concept. It may be focused on an internal state, such as a visceral feeling, or on external events by way of sensory perception.[2] It is analogous to sensing something, a process distinguished from observing and perceiving (which involves a basic process of acquainting with the items we perceive).[3] Awareness or "to sense" can be described as something that occurs when the brain is activated in certain ways, such as when the color red is what is seen once the retina is stimulated by light waves.[3] This conceptualization is posited amid the difficulty in developing an analytic definition of awareness or sensory awareness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness

What is the definition of consciousness?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

[Veritas Aequitas]

What I'm saying when I say that I don't buy the notion of an unconscious (or "subconscious") mind is this:

I don't buy that there are phenomena that are more or less just like thoughts, ideas, concepts, desires, etc., but where the only difference is that some of the phenomena in question are phenomena that we're not aware of.

Obviously there's unconscious brain activity, but I don't believe there is any good reason to believe that it's more or less the same as thought, etc.

You don't seem to be highly cognitive of pattern recognition, effective problem solving, efficiency, and other related positives.

Under the Philosophy of Thought, it would be very inefficient to lump every types of thought as merely 'more or less the same as thought'.

The subject of thought range from 'the origin and source of thoughts" to how thoughts are manifested into actions, how thoughts are stored, processed etc. etc.

Because thought underlies many human actions and interactions, understanding its physical and metaphysical origins and its effects has been a longstanding goal of many academic disciplines including philosophy, linguistics, psychology, neuroscience, artificial intelligence, biology, sociology and cognitive science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought

In any intellectual and problem solving endeavor, the most critical starting point is to look for patterns in all activities and group those with common features.

My forte is Problem Solving Techniques;
Note this fishbone technique;



Whatever the name,
there are two distinct types of thoughts from the same brain, i.e.

• 1. "conscious" deliberately thought of.. and the likes
  2. "unconscious" subconscious, subliminal, not-consciously-aware, etc.

Thus whenever someone used the term 'subconscious mind' not referring to a homunculus within, it is acceptable upon invoking the principle of charit
The problem with most [not you] from the analytic philosophy tradition is, they will jump at the term 'subconscious mind' with subconscious 'fear' then rage as if they have seen a ghost, without any concession for the above explanations.

Again, <whoosh> right over your head re my comment.

You complained I never answered your question.
The above add-ons may cover just in case.

[/quote]
If we're positing an unconscious/"subconscious" mind, there has to be something about it that resembles mind.
[/quote]
That is your problem with the dogmatism with Analytic Philosophy and obsession with what you defined as 'thing'.

The terms unconscious mind, subconscious mind are useful to differentiate from conscious mind in for the purpose of self-development on a personal basis, brainwashing for others, etc.
As long as you understand the contexts and invoke the Principle of Charity, I don't see the issue.

What resembles the conscious or unconscious 'mind' are their respective neuronal activities, processes and the way actions manifested.

[Terrapin Station]

. . . I don't see the issue.

There are people who posit that there are phenomena like thoughts, desires, etc. but that we're not aware of. I don't buy that there's a good reason to buy that idea.

[Veritas Aequitas]

. . . I don't see the issue.

There are people who posit that there are phenomena like thoughts, desires, etc. but that we're not aware of. I don't buy that there's a good reason to buy that idea.

Are you familiar with the concept of subliminal thoughts?

Subliminal stimuli (/sʌbˈlɪmɪnəl/) (the prefix sub- literally means "below, or less than"),[1] contrary to supraliminal stimuli or "above threshold", are any sensory stimuli below an individual's threshold for conscious perception.[2]
A 2012 review of functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) studies showed that subliminal stimuli activate specific regions of the brain despite participants' unawareness.[3] Visual stimuli may be quickly flashed before an individual can process them, or flashed and then masked to interrupt processing.
Audio stimuli may be played below audible volumes or masked by other stimuli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_stimuli

The above are supported by researched findings.

I bet there are thoughts-mechanism within your brain that you are not 'aware-of' that is driving you to have very strong proclivities for the views of classical analytic philosophy which are unrealistic in the ultimate sense.