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What does the UK need (same shit all EUROPEAN countries apparently need)

MORE CHIEFS EU bureaucracy

..and fuck all of the rest of us (Indians...people that simply want our NATIONAL IDENTITY - OUR OWN FUCKING CULTURE)


...and just look how "DIVERSITY" of ethnic imports is assisting.

Armed officers now at Christmas Markets in UK

...ah, hang on do (some) Muslims that are now a large populous of OPEN BORDERS ...seem to feel Christmas celebrations are a worthy target for MORHAMAD's...ideology?

...thank GOD for the left wing of politics to be so loving of ALL ethnicities - and treating everyone as LEGITIMATE refugees - (even though they are ALL men and ALL of them have left their women behind - abandoned them)

PATHETIC/STUPID/RAINBOW FLAG FLYING MORONS ...

yea yea keep voting for LABOUR or the deceitful TORIES - - dare we ask for another party to challenge (the two party ridiculous system) and ACTUALLY represent the PEOPLE that our Grandfathers fought and died for?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:04 pm What does the UK need (same shit all EUROPEAN countries apparently need)

MORE CHIEFS EU bureaucracy

..and fuck all of the rest of us (Indians...people that simply want our NATIONAL IDENTITY - OUR OWN FUCKING CULTURE)


...and just look how "DIVERSITY" of ethnic imports is assisting.

Armed officers now at Christmas Markets in UK

...ah, hang on do (some) Muslims that are now a large populous of OPEN BORDERS ...seem to feel Christmas celebrations are a worthy target for MORHAMAD's...ideology?

...thank GOD for the left wing of politics to be so loving of ALL ethnicities - and treating everyone as LEGITIMATE refugees - (even though they are ALL men and ALL of them have left their women behind - abandoned them)

PATHETIC/STUPID/RAINBOW FLAG FLYING MORONS ...

yea yea keep voting for LABOUR or the deceitful TORIES - - dare we ask for another party to challenge (the two party ridiculous system) and ACTUALLY represent the PEOPLE that our Grandfathers fought and died for?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christmas- ... magdeburg/

they are spreading Muhammed's love to a neighborhood near you soon

-Imp

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:42 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:15 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:26 pmSo you agree that EU commissioners are not unaccountable.

Of course. And you know now why.

Are you sure you read that correctly?

Perhaps not. Maybe the "so you agree," (coupled with the Orwellian double negative) part threw me off, because there's no way I agree that what you're suggesting amounts to democratic accountablility. Very clearly, it does not.

I wonder why you didn't understand that... Or why you pretended not to...Hmmm...no, I don't wonder anymore. I've got where you're coming from.

They're accountable to their overlords, and not at all to the people. That's a form of "accountability" alright. But it's useless, for any democratic purpose. Very nice for totalitarians, of course. They like to keep their people "accountable" to them.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:26 pm Like it or not, Bob has been part of a democratic process

No, actually, he has not. He's been part of a process, and even a pseudo-democratic exercise; but not a democratic process. And his "part" in it consists in nothing democratically useful.

To be, in any genuine sense, "democratic," Bob would have to have a direct means to vote for, influence and/or remove the person who is making the decisions that affect him. But that person sits on the Commission, not the Parliament. And that person answers to the whole bundle of the EU autocrats, not to the UK, and certainly not to Bob.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:16 pmhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/christmas- ... magdeburg/

they are spreading Muhammed's love to a neighborhood near you soon

-Imp

Well, ya know, it's news across the world if a Muslim in Europe kills or injures multiple innocent civilians. In the USA, very few of the mass murderers, despite their best efforts, make the national headlines. There's just too much competition:
"There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, external, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:43 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:16 pmhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/christmas- ... magdeburg/

they are spreading Muhammed's love to a neighborhood near you soon

-Imp

Well, ya know, it's news across the world if a Muslim in Europe kills or injures multiple innocent civilians. In the USA, very few of the mass murderers, despite their best efforts, make the national headlines. There's just too much competition:
"There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, external, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081

it's all in the context and the closer the victim is to the audience, the bigger the splash

drive by in a ghetto in Detroit kills 7

no audience- no story

truck bomb in the parking lot of a suburban mall - doesn't explode and no one hurt - news at 11

sometimes all you need is to protest for the correct things

-Imp

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:43 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:16 pmhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/christmas- ... magdeburg/

they are spreading Muhammed's love to a neighborhood near you soon

-Imp

Well, ya know, it's news across the world if a Muslim in Europe kills or injures multiple innocent civilians. In the USA, very few of the mass murderers, despite their best efforts, make the national headlines. There's just too much competition:

(BBC etc MSM never report their ethnicity when a violent crime is committed by them --- even if they bother to report it at all..that's Y you have to watch actual unbiased reporting news media - courtesy of internet)

Will, Y attempt to equate USA typical gun crime with that of the influx of an ideology (due to open borders) where STABBINGS and RAPE are now rampant within Western """CIVILISED""" society - this influx of 'asylum' seekers ...hold (little to none) of our ethical values ...our societal values are being eroded by OTHER "cultures".



OI! Dont argue against such RATIONAL LOGIC - you will be a RACISTS FFS..

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:41 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:42 am Are you sure you read that correctly?

Perhaps not. Maybe the "so you agree," (coupled with the Orwellian double negative) part threw me off, because there's no way I agree that what you're suggesting amounts to democratic accountablility. Very clearly, it does not.

How do you think democracy works? Suppose Bob had to negotiate with Alice and Charlie. In your understanding of democracy, how many would have to agree for the decision to be democratic?

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:59 pmit's all in the context and the closer the victim is to the audience, the bigger the splash

drive by in a ghetto in Detroit kills 7

no audience- no story

truck bomb in the parking lot of a suburban mall - doesn't explode and no one hurt - news at 11

sometimes all you need is to protest for the correct things

-Imp

Yeah, but with my pedantic hat on, ya can't start with "all in the context" and finish with "the correct things".

the correct definition of correct is the only problem...

-Imp

Really? Define definition.

it's either a subjective kind of thing, or another textual thing in itself...

-Imp

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:12 pm Really? Define definition.

A definition is a two-argument predicate is(⌜term⌝, ⌜phrase⌝) which evaluates to true, if the phrase accurately describes the term.

Hence, a definition is a two-tuple that associates the two numbers representing expressions in language.

For the core vocabulary, it is possible to describe the term by means of an image instead of a phrase in written language.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:28 pm How do you think democracy works? Suppose Bob had to negotiate with Alice and Charlie. In your understanding of democracy, how many would have to agree for the decision to be democratic?

It's very simple. Bob has to be capable of a vote that counts, in the case of the people making decisions about his life. If he's not able to have any say about what happens to him, then no political arrangement is "democratic," by definition. It's autocratic or even totalitarian.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:49 am

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:28 pm How do you think democracy works? Suppose Bob had to negotiate with Alice and Charlie. In your understanding of democracy, how many would have to agree for the decision to be democratic?

It's very simple. Bob has to be capable of a vote that counts, in the case of the people making decisions about his life. If he's not able to have any say about what happens to him, then no political arrangement is "democratic," by definition. It's autocratic or even totalitarian.

What counts as "counts". If Alice and Charlie vote for x, and Bob votes for y, does Bob's vote 'count'?

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 3:07 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:49 am

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:28 pm How do you think democracy works? Suppose Bob had to negotiate with Alice and Charlie. In your understanding of democracy, how many would have to agree for the decision to be democratic?

It's very simple. Bob has to be capable of a vote that counts, in the case of the people making decisions about his life. If he's not able to have any say about what happens to him, then no political arrangement is "democratic," by definition. It's autocratic or even totalitarian.

What counts as "counts". If Alice and Charlie vote for x, and Bob votes for y, does Bob's vote 'count'?

Let's put it more globally: in any democratic system, what "counts" as a vote? What do you think the answer is?