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Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:09 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:04 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:08 pm There is another idea. The only idea which is viable in this sceptical age.

Well, if the age has chosen to be so "skeptical" as to refuse the truth, then it's too "skeptical." If truth is no longer "viable," then we've gone to far.

If God created everything then God created reason

If God created everything then God created the unreasonable too; i.e. Mannie Can

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:10 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:09 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:04 pm
Well, if the age has chosen to be so "skeptical" as to refuse the truth, then it's too "skeptical." If truth is no longer "viable," then we've gone to far.

If God created everything then God created reason

If God created everything then God created the unreasonable too; i.e. Mannie Can

Yes, but unreason's prerequisite is reason. Unreason is absence of reason. Mannie has done good work in the name of God so he is not entirely lacking reason.

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:09 pm If God created everything then God created reason

Indeed He did.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:02 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:53 am Do you think God made a mistake when he decided to make man in his image?

No.

Then you won’t have a problem answering the difficult question...does it bother you, are you ok with being born to a North Korean woman?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:26 pm Then you won’t have a problem answering the difficult question...does it bother you, are you ok with being born to a North Korean woman?

It's not a difficult question...it's an odd one. I'm not Korean. I have Koreans in my family, but I'm not one of them.

Maybe you'd better just explain your point...I'm missing it.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:30 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:26 pm Then you won’t have a problem answering the difficult question...does it bother you, are you ok with being born to a North Korean woman?

It's not a difficult question...it's an odd one. I'm not Korean. I have Koreans in my family, but I'm not one of them.

Maybe you'd better just explain your point...I'm missing it.

The point is, if god knew before he incarnated as a North Korean baby, would he think that was ok, would he want that kind of life for himself?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:33 pm The point is, if god knew before he incarnated as a North Korean baby, would he think that was ok, would he want that kind of life for himself?

I'm still missing it.

He was incarnated as a first-century Jewish baby, and his first bed was an animal feeding trough. He walked about with no place to lay his head, suffered hunger and thirst, having constant demands on him, and being abused by the authorities and rejected by the lay people. On various occasions, people tried to kill him with stones, or by tossing him off a cliff. Eventually, he was crucified.

Is that the kind of life you mean?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:42 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:33 pm The point is, if god knew before he incarnated as a North Korean baby, would he think that was ok, would he want that kind of life for himself?

I'm still missing it.

He was incarnated as a first-century Jewish baby, and his first bed was an animal feeding trough. He walked about with no place to lay his head, suffered hunger and thirst, having constant demands on him, and being abused by the authorities and rejected by the lay people. On various occasions, people tried to kill him with stones, or by tossing him off a cliff. Eventually, he was crucified.

Is that the kind of life you mean?

yes, very good example. That’s what I mean.

If god knew before hand what his life was like, would he want it, would he be ok with being tortured and humiliated?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:46 pm If god knew before hand what his life was like, would he want it, would he be ok with being tortured and humiliated?

He did.

“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep...I lay down My life so that I may take it back. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back." (John 10:11, 18)

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:31 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:10 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:09 pm
If God created everything then God created reason

If God created everything then God created the unreasonable too; i.e. Mannie Can

Yes, but unreason's prerequisite is reason. Unreason is absence of reason. Mannie has done good work in the name of God so he is not entirely lacking reason.

I do not think doing good work in the name of god has anything to do with reason.
People do good, to do good, not for some false promise of a future reward.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:34 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:46 pm If god knew before hand what his life was like, would he want it, would he be ok with being tortured and humiliated?

He did.

“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep...I lay down My life so that I may take it back. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back." (John 10:11, 18)

Who is speaking?
Think before you answer

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:10 pm Who is speaking?

Trick question? Go ahead.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:09 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:31 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:10 pm

If God created everything then God created the unreasonable too; i.e. Mannie Can

Yes, but unreason's prerequisite is reason. Unreason is absence of reason. Mannie has done good work in the name of God so he is not entirely lacking reason.

I do not think doing good work in the name of god has anything to do with reason.
People do good, to do good, not for some false promise of a future reward.

I give Mannie the credit of doing good disinterestedly.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:34 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:46 pm If god knew before hand what his life was like, would he want it, would he be ok with being tortured and humiliated?

He did.

“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep...I lay down My life so that I may take it back. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back." (John 10:11, 18)

So he did know he would be horribly tortured and suffer pain both mentally and physically...

But why would any sane rational intelligent person choose to want that imposed upon the self?

Intelligence would not want to play that game surely? A creator wouldn’t say yes let’s play this game of torturous life, yeah that’ll be great fun....and we will keep on doing it over and over again until we get so sick of it that we’ll nuke each other to kingdom come.


No intelligence would want that would they....now be honest Immanuel

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:27 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:10 pm Who is speaking?

Trick question? Go ahead.

No it is not a trick question.
You quoted WHO?