Science , Fiction or Fact

[Godfree]

Atto ,, define your "know"
what shifts a thought to a know , a dream to reality ,
how do you tell the difference .
if you can't prove it to someone else , how did you persuade yourself ,??
you can know what you experienced ,
but a group of people all experiencing the same thing , will each have a slightly different experience , reality is in the mind of the experiencer ,
but there is only one reality ,
is what you "know" real , or is this your reality ,
if we all know different and conflicting pieces of knowledge ,
then there will probably be a right and a wrong , or both wrong ,
but in terms of does god exist etc , heaven hell and all that crap ,
in the real world , that which we can prove , science and technology,
there is no god
but there is proof of evolution ,
god is obviously the wrong answer ,, but you will "know" different ,,???

[attofishpi]

Atto ,, define your "know"
what shifts a thought to a know , a dream to reality ,
how do you tell the difference .
if you can't prove it to someone else , how did you persuade yourself ,??

Can you prove to anyone that you wrote the above?

but in terms of does god exist etc , heaven hell and all that crap ,
in the real world , that which we can prove , science and technology,
there is no god
but there is proof of evolution ,
god is obviously the wrong answer ,, but you will "know" different ,,???

I see no conflict between knowing there is God and believing in evolution.

[Godfree]

Atto ,, define your "know"
what shifts a thought to a know , a dream to reality ,
how do you tell the difference .
if you can't prove it to someone else , how did you persuade yourself ,??

Can you prove to anyone that you wrote the above?

but in terms of does god exist etc , heaven hell and all that crap ,
in the real world , that which we can prove , science and technology,
there is no god
but there is proof of evolution ,
god is obviously the wrong answer ,, but you will "know" different ,,???

I see no conflict between knowing there is God and believing in evolution.

but god was invented to explain how we came to be ,
if we can explain how we came to be , without god ,
why do we need a god , whats god for if we have already explained existence .
most religions I know claim god created man ,
can you be a christian and reject the bible as ignorance ,
science can prove claims in the bible are impossible ,
if we are going to have religious truth and science truth ,
both accepted as real , then confusion is the end result ,
in order to have order we need one reality ,
if the computer guy can't fix the computer ,
we don't call in the psychic ,
if our car engine is knocking ,we don't pray , we get a mechanic ,
if you want to live in some sort of dual reality , fine , but I don't ,
I like clear lines between real and not real ,
religion is not real , evolution is ,,,!!!

[attofishpi]

but god was invented to explain how we came to be ,
if we can explain how we came to be , without god ,
why do we need a god , whats god for if we have already explained existence .

What a load of rubbish. God was not 'invented', and especially not to explain how we came to be, well not for that reason alone, moreso to warn of consequences to ones actions.
From my understanding God communicated with the likes of Moses with certain instructions.

Its not whether we need a God, there is simply no choice in the matter. We should adhere to said instructions for certain reasons.

most religions I know claim god created man ,
can you be a christian and reject the bible as ignorance ,
science can prove claims in the bible are impossible ,
if we are going to have religious truth and science truth ,
both accepted as real , then confusion is the end result ,
in order to have order we need one reality ,
if the computer guy can't fix the computer ,
we don't call in the psychic ,
if our car engine is knocking ,we don't pray , we get a mechanic ,
if you want to live in some sort of dual reality , fine , but I don't ,
I like clear lines between real and not real ,
religion is not real , evolution is ,,,!!!

God certainly did get the ball rolling that ultimately formed man. My personal experience of God leaves me to believe God is very close to pantheistic, in that all energy, all reality is God (i AM the light).
You state that religion is not real. Religion is very real and very obvious. I think what you are implying is that what religion holds true is in fact false.
You may want to cling to some hope of a single simple reality, but i can assure you it is not the case, as most physicists are beginning to real eyes.

[Godfree]

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What a load of rubbish. God was not 'invented', and especially not to explain how we came to be, well not for that reason alone, moreso to warn of consequences to ones actions.
From my understanding God communicated with the likes of Moses with certain instructions.

Its not whether we need a God, there is simply no choice in the matter. We should adhere to said instructions for certain reasons.

god was "invented" ,,
where did they concept of god come from then ,,,???
did it email an image of itself , if gods real why wait till two thousand years ago to put your head up and claim to be the one true god ,
you could have done it thousands of years before ,, millions of years before ,
did god like the confusion the existed before , gods for this gods for that ,
so many gods , spread the power too thin ,
we must have one god , ,one race one culture , one truth ,
so what if it's a lie , believe or die ,,!!!

[attofishpi]

god was "invented" ,,
where did they concept of god come from then ,,,???
did it email an image of itself , if gods real why wait till two thousand years ago to put your head up and claim to be the one true god ,
you could have done it thousands of years before ,, millions of years before ,
did god like the confusion the existed before , gods for this gods for that ,
so many gods , spread the power too thin ,
we must have one god , ,one race one culture , one truth ,
so what if it's a lie , believe or die ,,!!!

Why bother putting your head up millions of years ago when man didnt bother recording his own existence until thousands of years ago?
Certainly God made himself known to people up to about four thousand years ago. It wasnt man's invention. Man was made aware BY God. The two thousand year mark that you speak of is when the Christ popped into the scene.
Hey, believe what you want, but to dismiss it as an atheist does to me is truly foolish. The universe is far too complex, the more science teaches us, the more complex the universe appears to be.

[chaz wyman]

god was "invented" ,,
where did they concept of god come from then ,,,???
did it email an image of itself , if gods real why wait till two thousand years ago to put your head up and claim to be the one true god ,
you could have done it thousands of years before ,, millions of years before ,
did god like the confusion the existed before , gods for this gods for that ,
so many gods , spread the power too thin ,
we must have one god , ,one race one culture , one truth ,
so what if it's a lie , believe or die ,,!!!

Why bother putting your head up millions of years ago when man didnt bother recording his own existence until thousands of years ago?
Certainly God made himself known to people up to about four thousand years ago. It wasnt man's invention. Man was made aware BY God. The two thousand year mark that you speak of is when the Christ popped into the scene.
Hey, believe what you want, but to dismiss it as an atheist does to me is truly foolish. The universe is far too complex, the more science teaches us, the more complex the universe appears to be.

And yet you are arrogant enough to think you have the ultimate answer!
- even when your ultimate answer is not answer at all but a confusion of dogma and contradiction.

[attofishpi]

And yet you are arrogant enough to think you have the ultimate answer!
- even when your ultimate answer is not answer at all but a confusion of dogma and contradiction.

Arrogant? ..mmm yes i managed to refind my ego and gave it some food...what a terrible Christian i am.

Contradiction? Answer?
Do tell what the question is that i do but don't have the answer to?

[chaz wyman]

And yet you are arrogant enough to think you have the ultimate answer!
- even when your ultimate answer is not answer at all but a confusion of dogma and contradiction.

Arrogant? ..mmm yes i managed to refind my ego and gave it some food...what a terrible Christian i am.

Like most Xians - it goes with the territory as they say.

Contradiction? Answer?
Do tell what the question is that i do but don't have the answer to?

[Godfree]

And yet you are arrogant enough to think you have the ultimate answer!
- even when your ultimate answer is not answer at all but a confusion of dogma and contradiction.

Arrogant? ..mmm yes i managed to refind my ego and gave it some food...what a terrible Christian i am.

Contradiction? Answer?
Do tell what the question is that i do but don't have the answer to?

atto , science can in so many ways contradict what religion believes ,
science is based of proof , religion is based on myth ,
science can prove we are monkey ,
and we evolved from a reptile ,
science can prove this ,
scientifically god is impossible ,
to imagine such a thing exists , you must throw science out the window ,
hence the contradiction of modern society ,
a society that uses science and technology to,
look for Noahs ark ,,!!! to try and claim science can prove the existence of a soul , something about the grams that leave the body at death ,,???
religion was what we had before knowledge
to cling the the ignorance of superstition and religion ,
will block the knowledge , will stop you from moving on and getting some real knowledge ,
it's one or the other ,
unless you want to be a contradiction ,,???

[attofishpi]

atto , science can in so many ways contradict what religion believes ,
science is based of proof , religion is based on myth ,
science can prove we are monkey ,
and we evolved from a reptile ,
science can prove this ,
scientifically god is impossible ,
to imagine such a thing exists , you must throw science out the window

Religion is an interpretation based on mans interaction with God over time...And yes, a lot of myth has been embedded along the way...I dont hold religion in particularly high regard myself.

Scientifically, God is not impossible as i know 100% of 'its' existence. Knowing what the true nature of God is, is my only endeavour in that regard now.
The existence of God does make our existence FAR more complicated. Its doesnt simplify anything.

hence the contradiction of modern society ,
a society that uses science and technology to,
look for Noahs ark ,,!!! to try and claim science can prove the existence of a soul , something about the grams that leave the body at death ,,???

Yes, ridiculous arn't they?

religion was what we had before knowledge
to cling the the ignorance of superstition and religion ,
will block the knowledge , will stop you from moving on and getting some real knowledge ,
it's one or the other ,
unless you want to be a contradiction ,,???

I agree that many of the masses that are religious are plain idiots that take everything literally. Please dont apply that label to ALL theists. I have REAL knowledge. I know 'stuff 'in relation to the nature of reality FAR better that you.
There may be a contradiction between RELIGION and SCIENCE.
There is no contradiction between KNOWING God and Science.

[Godfree]

atto ,,,the difference between religion and knowing god ,
, none , knowing god is what each religion is based on ,
each religion has a different experience of god/the truth ,
so we have all the different religions/realities .
the contradiction comes from using a computer to type to the world ,
philosophically I'm a cave man who believes in magic and hocus pocus ,
If you know god so well ,
why did he kill all those people in Indonesia , the twin towers , Japans earthquake , why is this god so evil ,,???

[attofishpi]

atto ,,,the difference between religion and knowing god ,
, none , knowing god is what each religion is based on ,
each religion has a different experience of god/the truth ,

No, religion is based on 'faith'. There is a huge difference between knowing and believing.

so we have all the different religions/realities .
the contradiction comes from using a computer to type to the world ,
philosophically I'm a cave man who believes in magic and hocus pocus ,
If you know god so well ,
why did he kill all those people in Indonesia , the twin towers , Japans earthquake , why is this god so evil ,,???

Why did 'He' kill all those people? I wouldn't blame 'Him' they were natural disasters. Maybe you can thank him for saving their souls?
Why is God so evil? That is a very good question. I have been a victim of 'His' evil many times. It is very hard to LIVE when the EVIL is being done...yet another quirk in the English language.

[chaz wyman]

atto ,,,the difference between religion and knowing god ,
, none , knowing god is what each religion is based on ,
each religion has a different experience of god/the truth ,

No, religion is based on 'faith'. There is a huge difference between knowing and believing.

so we have all the different religions/realities .
the contradiction comes from using a computer to type to the world ,
philosophically I'm a cave man who believes in magic and hocus pocus ,
If you know god so well ,
why did he kill all those people in Indonesia , the twin towers , Japans earthquake , why is this god so evil ,,???

Why did 'He' kill all those people? I wouldn't blame 'Him' they were natural disasters.

So he can't control nature? He did not design nature, and was not omniscient enough to know that was going to happen when he created the universe? Not much of a God, is he?

Maybe you can thank him for saving their souls?

They were Heathens, mostly.

Why is God so evil? That is a very good question. I have been a victim of 'His' evil many times. It is very hard to LIVE when the EVIL is being done...yet another quirk in the English language.

LIVE is an anagram of EVIL - Dog is an anagram of God - SPOOOOOOKKKKKKYYYYY!!

[chaz wyman]

atto ,,,the difference between religion and knowing god ,
, none , knowing god is what each religion is based on ,
each religion has a different experience of god/the truth ,

No, religion is based on 'faith'. There is a huge difference between knowing and believing.

so we have all the different religions/realities .
the contradiction comes from using a computer to type to the world ,
philosophically I'm a cave man who believes in magic and hocus pocus ,
If you know god so well ,
why did he kill all those people in Indonesia , the twin towers , Japans earthquake , why is this god so evil ,,???

Why did 'He' kill all those people? I wouldn't blame 'Him' they were natural disasters.

So he can't control nature? He did not design nature, and was not omniscient enough to know that was going to happen when he created the universe? Not much of a God, is he?

Maybe you can thank him for saving their souls?

They were Heathens, mostly.

Why is God so evil? That is a very good question. I have been a victim of 'His' evil many times. It is very hard to LIVE when the EVIL is being done...yet another quirk in the English language.

LIVE is an anagram of EVIL - Dog is an anagram of God - SPOOOOOOKKKKKKYYYYY!!