If God Exists, Is It Our God?

[Godfree]

"Does OUR god exist"
and the answer is of course ,,"NO" ,,,!!!
next question[/quote]

I would have thought that you could have answered those questions for yourself since you insist that being an atheist is a belief system then you ought to know exactly what God you do not believe in.
That is the whole point![/quote][/quote]
THE WHOLE POINT ,,,???
Chaz , youv made a claim ,,,"that" whatever that is , I must have missed it Chaz ,
which that is the whole point again ,,???
now , I am an Atheist ,
I have a belief system built around Atheism ,
how is that not Atheism being a belief system ,,???
my Atheism is obviously different to yours Chaz
I would say my most things is different to yours ,
but we would both claim to be Atheists ,
as I said on the Truth thread ,
I base how true something is on how close to reality it is ,
evolution ,true , creation , not true ,
god , not true ,life after death , not true
until we come up with some evidence for such things ,
they remain hearsay , fantasy , and not true ...

[chaz wyman]

"Does OUR god exist"
and the answer is of course ,,"NO" ,,,!!!
next question

Your answer is meaningless. So what do you mean by OUR god?

I would have thought that you could have answered those questions for yourself since you insist that being an atheist is a belief system then you ought to know exactly what God you do not believe in.
That is the whole point!

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THE WHOLE POINT ,,,???
Chaz , youv made a claim ,,,"that" whatever that is , I must have missed it Chaz ,

EXACTLY!

which that is the whole point again ,,???
now , I am an Atheist ,
I have a belief system built around Atheism ,

The point is that you ought to know what you mean by God, and which God, and OUR God, to have a belief system around believing he does not exist.
In fact to have a system of belief denying God you have to believe in God, to deny him.

how is that not Atheism being a belief system ,,???

Only if you are a donkey.

my Atheism is obviously different to yours Chaz

No shit. Yours involves validating a God you insist does not exist.

I would say my most things is different to yours ,

You would be ungrammatical too.

but we would both claim to be Atheists ,
as I said on the Truth thread ,
I base how true something is on how close to reality it is ,
evolution ,true , creation , not true ,
god , not true ,life after death , not true
until we come up with some evidence for such things ,
they remain hearsay , fantasy , and not true ...[/quote]

[Godfree]

Chaz you really are confused ,,
I should know which god doesn't exist,,???
but that would be acknowledging god exists ,
no god exists , no model of god is the real one ,,!!!
and the title refers to OUR god ,
the same god I was referring to ,
my previous post explained all of that ,
the old memory going on you is it Chaz

[chaz wyman]

Chaz you really are confused ,,
I should know which god doesn't exist,,???

Idiot - that is what you implied. That is the whole fucking point.


but that would be acknowledging god exists ,

Exactly - so why the fuck do you insist that atheism is a belief system, because by doing so you are validating God.
NOW DO YOU GET IT?


no god exists , no model of god is the real one ,,!!!
and the title refers to OUR god ,
the same god I was referring to ,
my previous post explained all of that ,
the old memory going on you is it Chaz

Try and use your imagination.

[Arising_uk]

I think you once said something like this to me chaz, "I admire your patience and perseverance."

[attofishpi]

Exactly - so why the fuck do you insist that atheism is a belief system, because by doing so you are validating God.
NOW DO YOU GET IT?

Just to throw a cat at a rabid pterosaur:-

It appears to me that the single biggest question that all philosophers want the answer to is binary. Is there a God? Yes or No.

[Arising_uk]

Its not even a question in philosophy any more.

There were questions about the various arguments put forward but thats more epistemology and logic. My take is that in this forum it was a mistake to have a separate category for religion when its pretty much a subset of metaphysics.

[Godfree]

Chaz you really are confused ,,
I should know which god doesn't exist,,???

Idiot - that is what you implied. That is the whole fucking point.


but that would be acknowledging god exists ,

Exactly - so why the fuck do you insist that atheism is a belief system, because by doing so you are validating God.
NOW DO YOU GET IT?


no god exists , no model of god is the real one ,,!!!
and the title refers to OUR god ,
the same god I was referring to ,
my previous post explained all of that ,
the old memory going on you is it Chaz

Try and use your imagination.

Atheism does not validate god ,
anymore than smokefree validates smoke ,
ge or gm free validates genetic engineering ,
to take a stance against something , doesn't validate what your against ,
do policeman validate crime , teachers validate stupidity ,
does your stance against my Atheism , validate my stance ,??????
if so what strategy should you adopt ,
should you ignore in the hope I will go away ,??
agree with me in some sort of reverse psycology ,
because according to YOU , your only validating me ,
I feel sooooo validated ,,!!!

[chaz wyman]

Atheism does not validate god ,

No, but YOU do, because of what you believe to be 'atheism'.

anymore than smokefree validates smoke ,

Smokefree validates smoke. It implies that smoke is significant.

ge or gm free validates genetic engineering ,

GM free implies an opinion about GM. It implies that it exists, fool.
If there were no GM, there would be no need for GM-free. ANd that is why my atheism is contentless - not because 'i believe that god does not exist', but because god is not even on the table. I do not have ANY belief concerning god.

to take a stance against something , doesn't validate what your against ,

Of course it does! You have already implies as much, you are just too much of a donkey to have noticed!

[attofishpi]

Its not even a question in philosophy any more.

There were questions about the various arguments put forward but thats more epistemology and logic. My take is that in this forum it was a mistake to have a separate category for religion when its pretty much a subset of metaphysics.

Since about when? Did the philosophers over the past millenia make a point of attempting to rationalise God?

[Arising_uk]

Since about when? Did the philosophers over the past millenia make a point of attempting to rationalise God?

I'll accept that religious philosophers have attempted to give rational arguments for the existence of 'God/s' but since about about Nietzsche we've not bothered much. I think most philosophers should be agnostic about such claims or at least until some actual evidence about such a thing can be found.

[Godfree]

GM free implies an opinion about GM. It implies that it exists, fool.
If there were no GM, there would be no need for GM-free.
and if there was no religion/claims of god ,
there would be no godfree , no need for Atheism if there is no theism ,
but as usual you managed not to answer the important part of the question ,
if challenging something validates it , why are you challenging me ,
do you want to validate my stance ,
are you supporting me by challenging me ,
you really do live in a confused world Chaz ,
you have been validating me over and over again ,
by telling me I shouldn't validate religion/god .
if you understood anything of what your saying ,
you wouldn't be such a contradiction .
When NZ went Nuclear Free , that was not good for Nuclear ,
negative publicity , can bring down empires ,
so next time we have an election I should ,
pretend the other parties don't exist,,???
don't rubbish any other policies ,
just speak in support of my party ,
because any negative publicity about the other parties will just validate them ,
sounds like your world would be a dictatorship ,
with strict rules as to what we can and can't discuss ,
sounds a lot like communism to me Chaz ,
I will continue to expose religion for the madness that it is ,
and you will continue to expose you ignorance by trying to stop me ,,!!

[chaz wyman]

GM free implies an opinion about GM. It implies that it exists, fool.
If there were no GM, there would be no need for GM-free.
and if there was no religion/claims of god ,
there would be no godfree , no need for Atheism if there is no theism ,
but as usual you managed not to answer the important part of the question ,
if challenging something validates it , why are you challenging me ,
do you want to validate my stance ,
are you supporting me by challenging me ,
you really do live in a confused world Chaz ,
you have been validating me over and over again ,
by telling me I shouldn't validate religion/god .
if you understood anything of what your saying ,
you wouldn't be such a contradiction .
When NZ went Nuclear Free , that was not good for Nuclear ,
negative publicity , can bring down empires ,
so next time we have an election I should ,
pretend the other parties don't exist,,???
don't rubbish any other policies ,
just speak in support of my party ,
because any negative publicity about the other parties will just validate them ,
sounds like your world would be a dictatorship ,
with strict rules as to what we can and can't discuss ,
sounds a lot like communism to me Chaz ,
I will continue to expose religion for the madness that it is ,
and you will continue to expose you ignorance by trying to stop me ,,!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Godfree]

Look at it this way Chaz ,,
the world is full of subs and doms , we could call them followers and leaders ,
but subs and doms will do , if we don't dominate them ,the submissive members of society , and if you will notice most of the people sitting in church are women .then the church or some other organization will ,
in other words they want to be told what to do ,
they want to have somebody make decisions for them ,
people don't flock together because they are self assured ,
so we need to point them in the right direction ,
it's still got to be their decision , but we could at least offer them real choices .
to replace religion we are going to need an organization just as big involved with just as much funding and staff to manage the feeble minded ,
the lost souls , religion has been doing a number on our sanity ,
for thousands of years ,we would have to pick up the casualties of religion ,
without their precious fantasy , they might have to grow up ,,
I think humanity is still in it's infancy ,,,!!!

[chaz wyman]

Look at it this way Chaz ,,
the world is full of subs and doms , we could call them followers and leaders ,
but subs and doms will do , if we don't dominate them ,the submissive members of society , and if you will notice most of the people sitting in church are women .then the church or some other organization will ,
in other words they want to be told what to do ,
they want to have somebody make decisions for them ,
people don't flock together because they are self assured ,
so we need to point them in the right direction ,
it's still got to be their decision , but we could at least offer them real choices .
to replace religion we are going to need an organization just as big involved with just as much funding and staff to manage the feeble minded ,
the lost souls , religion has been doing a number on our sanity ,
for thousands of years ,we would have to pick up the casualties of religion ,
without their precious fantasy , they might have to grow up ,,
I think humanity is still in it's infancy ,,,!!!

In other words you are going to act like a priest for The Church of Atheism.
You are going to peddle a dogma and impose your world view that God is wrong, God does not exist, and God is a lie.
Have I got that right so far?

I can think of no better way to force Xianity underground; make it attractive and popular.
That is Exactly how it spread throughout the Empire of Rome, where there was religious freedom and tolerance except that it was required to include the Secular Authority in divine observance. It was the refusal by Xians to worship the emperor that made Xianity proscribed and illegal. It was a massive fillip to its followers who could appear as martyrs and rebels; result - it spread like wildfire through the cities of the empire and eventually was the only religion that was allowed.

Your idea is no better than any other political ideology.