A Philosophy of Mind
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Hey, I got one: it is only when we put our own well being into the hands of others' opinions that we are offended.
When we see that the other is but a counterpartial expression of our own existance that we can be effective in helping ourselves, and in some hopeful way, the other also.
When we see that the other is but a counterpartial expression of our own existance that we can be effective in helping ourselves, and in some hopeful way, the other also.
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artisticsolution wrote:I don't think it is, as why on earth do you think it is her duty to help you learn? Why can't the woman just come in here to do her own thing, without having to teach anyone anything?
Because you put words in my mouth. YOU said it was her DUTY, NOT I. Initially, I gave her accurate constructive criticism and requested she consider me. Instead she'd rather bully me, as to exclude me, in a for the PUBLIC forum, no less, because of her SELFISHNESS! Which is the antithesis of doing good, which she claims to be doing! No she doesn't have to consider me at all. If she wants she can spit in my face, which I submit she has already done by not considering me. I AM ALWAYS CONSIDERATE OF EVERYONE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ASK, AND I WILL BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO HELP THEM. She could do what she does in her PRIVATE diary. THIS IS A MAGAZINE FORUM THAT THE NICE PEOPLE THAT OPERATE IT ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO USE and as such is DESIGNED FOR INTERACTION BETWEEN THOSE INTERESTED. IT IS A NOT A PRIVATE DIARY. SHE IS INCONSIDERATE OF THE REST OF US! Unless of course she has some psychological problem that I'm unaware of, in which case I would be EXTREMELY APOLOGETIC as I have NOT been AWARE. I would be incapable of APOLOGIZING ENOUGH if she had a PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM! BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. So Barb if you are psychologically challenged, I APOLOGIGE for everything I've said, and I very HUMBLY request your forgiveness. But if you really are an elitist, then I STAND FIRM! I spent 16 YEARS sacrificing myself for THE FREE peoples of the world, and was exposed to many hazzards including many chemicals that have done their damage. The next time I serve I'll say that I'll sacrifice myself for all but BARB because she refuses to SIMPLY change her verbiage so that I can easily assimilate her meaning, which I WOULD GLADLY DO IF ONLY ASKED! For shame Barb for Shame, Socrates is rolling in his grave about now!
NOW SHOW THIS IDIOT YOUR CARING FOR PEOPLE, SHOW ME YOUR LOVE!
I DARE ANYONE OF YOU TO DEFACE YOUR PUBLIC PERSONA. It would seem that only I'm willing to do that, maybe it's my proximity to death that allows.
I'll be right back I need to take my high blood pressure medicine, I can feel my heart beat in my temples.
It would seem that the difference between myself and you all is that all you gotta do is ask me to make myself more clear and I'll do it in the name of helping someone. Of course I try my damndest to ensure everyone can understand me initially so there is no need to ask.
As I told Lance I've been in self imposed solitary confinement to save money since my wife left almost 2 years now to save our home. Last year, 2 days after my 53rd birthday my only companion, my dog died a horrific bloody death, we think someone poisoned him, he was a good boy that never barked because of his breed. He died because selfish people hold the promise of immediate payment over life. She came back for a week so we could complete our bankruptcy. I keep my thermostat at 60 degrees because I can't afford anything more, I take showers weekly because I can't afford anything more. I have high blood pressure and the other day I had to go to the VA hospital because I had an enlarged lymph node. My food is free from the state or I would starve. No one will hire me! I'm a veteran of 16 years that sacrificed his body to chemicals and other such traumas, but the free world can rest easy!
Screw me Barbara, I've been used to it since I was a child. I guess I don't deserve any help!
PEACE to all you people out there and remember if there is ever anything you need and I can help, all you gotta do is ask! I'm here all alone doing nothing so please just ask, Oh I'm sorry I seem to be imposing again! Forget about it!
I know what...I demand you start a thread on Kierkegaard because I enjoy talking about his insights. How shall I ever learn if you don't? So please, in the future...stop thinking so much about your selfish desires of posting your inane drivel and instead consider me me me!
Now do you hear yourself and what you two are doing to Barbara?
Re: Philosophy of Mind
I figure this is a forum of all sorts, and Hopefully considerate, thoughtful seekers/philosophers - but I also figure someone will try to insult me. So if I am, its par for te course.
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You know what was really scary Lance, when I was driving home from leaving her at the bus stop (well actually I drove around the block until the Megabus left). As I drove over an overpass and saw this imposing concrete and steel guardrail I suddenly became intensely fearful that I might unconsciously, purposely crash into it, so as to kill myself, (I thought of existentialism, Søren Kierkegaard and Jean-Paul Sartre) and I became extremely unnerved. I had never felt that way before, and wondered where the hell that crap came from, such that I was a little shaky the rest of the way back home. This was in August 2011, I'm OK now, but for a while I was in a deep depression because she was gone again! I wouldn't do anything, I'm just now starting to get a little bounce in my step. And I have you and all the others that have taken their valuable time to talk with me to thank for your interaction and thus my recovery. I'm starting to look forward to the future year that we can finally be reunited again in our home. You people have helped me take my mind off my woes. I can also feel my cleverness returning due to the problem solving associated with argument in this forum, which I hope shall help me in my job interviews.lancek4 wrote:I figure this is a forum of all sorts, and Hopefully considerate, thoughtful seekers/philosophers - but I also figure someone will try to insult me. So if I am, its par for te course.
Thank You ALL!
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Re: Philosophy of Mind
"He smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul;" for in this verse Homer has clearly supposed the power which reasons about the better and worse to be different from anger which is rebuked by it.
The rational principle, which is wise, ought have the care of the whole mind, to rule, and the passionate or spirited principle to be the ally?
Socrates believed the united influence of music and gymnastics will bring them into accord, nerving and sustaining the reason with noble words and lessons, and moderating and soothing and civilizing the wildness of passion by harmony and rhythm?
And one is courageous whose spirit retains, in pleasure and in pain, the commands of reason about what he ought to fear or ought not to fear.
Both together will be the best defenders of the whole mind and the whole body against attacks from without; one counseling, and the other fighting under his or her leader, and courageously executing commands and counsels. And he is to be deemed courageous whose spirit retains in pleasure and in pain the commands of reason about what he ought or ought not to fear?
The wise have in them that little part which ought to rule, and we should not rebel.
The rational principle, which is wise, ought have the care of the whole mind, to rule, and the passionate or spirited principle to be the ally?
Socrates believed the united influence of music and gymnastics will bring them into accord, nerving and sustaining the reason with noble words and lessons, and moderating and soothing and civilizing the wildness of passion by harmony and rhythm?
And one is courageous whose spirit retains, in pleasure and in pain, the commands of reason about what he ought to fear or ought not to fear.
Both together will be the best defenders of the whole mind and the whole body against attacks from without; one counseling, and the other fighting under his or her leader, and courageously executing commands and counsels. And he is to be deemed courageous whose spirit retains in pleasure and in pain the commands of reason about what he ought or ought not to fear?
The wise have in them that little part which ought to rule, and we should not rebel.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
sob, i'm so sorry to hear of your troubles, if i was able to send you some money i would send it. that always upsets me when i'm not able to do that. i am glad to hear you seem to be doing better.
as for what As said, i agree, and feel she made a good point. i see your point, but still feel that your failing to see things in a broader and deeper sense and this is effecting your actions and in turn making them poor. something i do all the time too.
i would add that perhaps you've failed to notice the things you accuse only barbara of, goes on all the time with pretty much all the members of the forum. even Rick posts things and doesn't always respond. and when not responding, he doesn't always say, if ever maybe, 'oh i'm sorry, i'm busy now, i'll get back to you'. why is he and everyone else here exclusive of your criticisms, and barbara not?
as for you saying she is preaching at and swarming you and the forum, i fail to see that. does she go into other threads here and freak out at everyone about how their doing it? and preach at them like you preach at her? and demand anything from anyone? etc... i apologize, but from what i can tell, you are the heightened and worsened epitomy of what you accuse her of being in all its frightful non-glory.
adding on in the next post:) thanks
as for what As said, i agree, and feel she made a good point. i see your point, but still feel that your failing to see things in a broader and deeper sense and this is effecting your actions and in turn making them poor. something i do all the time too.
i would add that perhaps you've failed to notice the things you accuse only barbara of, goes on all the time with pretty much all the members of the forum. even Rick posts things and doesn't always respond. and when not responding, he doesn't always say, if ever maybe, 'oh i'm sorry, i'm busy now, i'll get back to you'. why is he and everyone else here exclusive of your criticisms, and barbara not?
as for you saying she is preaching at and swarming you and the forum, i fail to see that. does she go into other threads here and freak out at everyone about how their doing it? and preach at them like you preach at her? and demand anything from anyone? etc... i apologize, but from what i can tell, you are the heightened and worsened epitomy of what you accuse her of being in all its frightful non-glory.
adding on in the next post:) thanks
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again i ask, why is he and everyone else here exclusive of your criticisms, and barbara not? why don't you go after Pluto every time he doesn't respond to a post in his thread or to him? i'm not saying you should, but why don't you? i could sit here and find endless examples of pretty much every member, if not all members of this forum who do every various thing that you target barbara for, and do much worse at that.
i being one of them!
i'd also like to add, its been debated on the forum many times thoughout the years, how forum participation should be. and what exactly a forum is. all members have not reached some perfect and harmonious concensus on the subject. i remember a member here named, i believe it was Coberst, who would post a few of his writings and articles, and only comment here and there on them, and a few people would become enflamed by this and go at him. and then others would say they liked his input, and appreciated reading and considering what he shared and were happy enough with that.
(adding on in the next post) thanks
i being one of them!
i'd also like to add, its been debated on the forum many times thoughout the years, how forum participation should be. and what exactly a forum is. all members have not reached some perfect and harmonious concensus on the subject. i remember a member here named, i believe it was Coberst, who would post a few of his writings and articles, and only comment here and there on them, and a few people would become enflamed by this and go at him. and then others would say they liked his input, and appreciated reading and considering what he shared and were happy enough with that.
(adding on in the next post) thanks
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anyway, i feel bad for saying some of the things i've said to you, and i hope it didn't hurt your feelings. it was just a reaction towards how i felt you were treating barb.
after i said a few things badly to you and lancek in response to how i thought you were treating barbara, then i felt bad and was reminded of some experiences in my own life about response in this manner. i remember, i think 3 times in my life i've called 3 different people 'FAT ASSES!'... here are the scenerios that led to me saying that..
once i was helping this person out through some very hard times in their life, bending over backwards for this person. that is an understatement. and i thought we were supposedly 'friends' as well. but this person, nomatter how nice i was, kept insulting me here and there. she would always call me dumb, and other things even worse. one night, i think it was, we were in the parking lot by her apartment building, and there was this 1/2 drunk guy laying on the ground by the wall, and i told her something like we should see if he needs some help, and give him a ride or something. she cut me down again and said i was the dumbest person she ever met in her life. not in a casual way, but in a really mean way. i could understand her point, but after all the other times she cut me down and i ignored it, and the way she said this, it was just too much for me and i finally turned around to her and said something like 'FUCK OFF FAT ASS!'
do i and have i ever had anything against larger people? no. never. i said that because she was larger and i knew it was something that bothered her (i'm not saying it should've bothered her, but i knew it did), and it was a response to her treating me like shit for so long, and just flew out.
for some odd reason, the other 2 i called fatasses were in a similar vein, not exactly, but in my point of view similar. i thought they were being asses for some reason, to some other people, and so i responded in kind to something i knew was a sensitive spot to them. again, i do not feel weight should be a sensitive spot, but it was. again, i do not, and never have had anything against larger people. absolutely not. and would never. ever. normally say something like that.
either way, i'm sure it was turned around into something that makes me look like i'm some fucking ass who has something against larger people and would even make fun of them to top it off! hell no! as far as i could tell, i was responding to what i felt WERE those type of people.
either way, i should've not said anything. or went about it in a different way.
so, i am sorry for responding to you sob and lancek like that as well. from now on, in any further communications with you, i will try to respond in a different way and hopefully with a decent argument.
thanks
after i said a few things badly to you and lancek in response to how i thought you were treating barbara, then i felt bad and was reminded of some experiences in my own life about response in this manner. i remember, i think 3 times in my life i've called 3 different people 'FAT ASSES!'... here are the scenerios that led to me saying that..
once i was helping this person out through some very hard times in their life, bending over backwards for this person. that is an understatement. and i thought we were supposedly 'friends' as well. but this person, nomatter how nice i was, kept insulting me here and there. she would always call me dumb, and other things even worse. one night, i think it was, we were in the parking lot by her apartment building, and there was this 1/2 drunk guy laying on the ground by the wall, and i told her something like we should see if he needs some help, and give him a ride or something. she cut me down again and said i was the dumbest person she ever met in her life. not in a casual way, but in a really mean way. i could understand her point, but after all the other times she cut me down and i ignored it, and the way she said this, it was just too much for me and i finally turned around to her and said something like 'FUCK OFF FAT ASS!'
do i and have i ever had anything against larger people? no. never. i said that because she was larger and i knew it was something that bothered her (i'm not saying it should've bothered her, but i knew it did), and it was a response to her treating me like shit for so long, and just flew out.
for some odd reason, the other 2 i called fatasses were in a similar vein, not exactly, but in my point of view similar. i thought they were being asses for some reason, to some other people, and so i responded in kind to something i knew was a sensitive spot to them. again, i do not feel weight should be a sensitive spot, but it was. again, i do not, and never have had anything against larger people. absolutely not. and would never. ever. normally say something like that.
either way, i'm sure it was turned around into something that makes me look like i'm some fucking ass who has something against larger people and would even make fun of them to top it off! hell no! as far as i could tell, i was responding to what i felt WERE those type of people.
either way, i should've not said anything. or went about it in a different way.
so, i am sorry for responding to you sob and lancek like that as well. from now on, in any further communications with you, i will try to respond in a different way and hopefully with a decent argument.
thanks
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this thread has led me to wonder about judgement, human weakness, social structure, and power.
it seems to me, i could be wrong, but throughout my life, i've witnessed so much highassed judgement going on 24/7 from all sorts, its almost dizzying.
and your concerned with barbs little thread?
adding on in a sec. thanks
it seems to me, i could be wrong, but throughout my life, i've witnessed so much highassed judgement going on 24/7 from all sorts, its almost dizzying.
and your concerned with barbs little thread?
adding on in a sec. thanks
Re: Philosophy of Mind
could you, or would you, ever, be able to concern yourself with something more daring. win or lose.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
anyone can slap a mosquito upside its ass, add to that one hundred million slapping the mosquito upside its ass. BRAVO! BRAVO!
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Re: Philosophy of Mind
Look I'm really a nice guy that would give you the shirt off his back if you were cold, that sometimes displays fits of frustration, I am human after all. And while I'm sorry for showing my ass, life hasn't been to kind to me recently, I've actually made an appointment to see a psychologist because after two years of solitary confinement, I now realize I can't carry the burden myself, I need a friend that shall listen, face to face, so I can cry on their shoulder, because crying by myself yields no light.bus2bondi wrote:anyway, i feel bad for saying some of the things i've said to you, and i hope it didn't hurt your feelings. it was just a reaction towards how i felt you were treating barb.
after i said a few things badly to you and lancek in response to how i thought you were treating barbara, then i felt bad and was reminded of some experiences in my own life about response in this manner. i remember, i think 3 times in my life i've called 3 different people 'FAT ASSES!'... here are the scenerios that led to me saying that..
once i was helping this person out through some very hard times in their life, bending over backwards for this person. that is an understatement. and i thought we were supposedly 'friends' as well. but this person, nomatter how nice i was, kept insulting me here and there. she would always call me dumb, and other things even worse. one night, i think it was, we were in the parking lot by her apartment building, and there was this 1/2 drunk guy laying on the ground by the wall, and i told her something like we should see if he needs some help, and give him a ride or something. she cut me down again and said i was the dumbest person she ever met in her life. not in a casual way, but in a really mean way. i could understand her point, but after all the other times she cut me down and i ignored it, and the way she said this, it was just too much for me and i finally turned around to her and said something like 'FUCK OFF FAT ASS!'
do i and have i ever had anything against larger people? no. never. i said that because she was larger and i knew it was something that bothered her (i'm not saying it should've bothered her, but i knew it did), and it was a response to her treating me like shit for so long, and just flew out.
for some odd reason, the other 2 i called fatasses were in a similar vein, not exactly, but in my point of view similar. i thought they were being asses for some reason, to some other people, and so i responded in kind to something i knew was a sensitive spot to them. again, i do not feel weight should be a sensitive spot, but it was. again, i do not, and never have had anything against larger people. absolutely not. and would never. ever. normally say something like that.
either way, i'm sure it was turned around into something that makes me look like i'm some fucking ass who has something against larger people and would even make fun of them to top it off! hell no! as far as i could tell, i was responding to what i felt WERE those type of people.
either way, i should've not said anything. or went about it in a different way.
so, i am sorry for responding to you sob and lancek like that as well. from now on, in any further communications with you, i will try to respond in a different way and hopefully with a decent argument.
thanks
But I believe you have not followed this development from it's beginning. Initially I tried to give her sound thoughtful advice, in requesting that she not be so hard to understand and not to preach as if we were imbeciles. I dispensed "Constructive Criticism" by definition, such that in all instances I did not accuse her of anything, but instead insisted: that it 'seemed,' I 'felt,' I 'believed,' giving way to the fact that my perspective was just that and by all means 'NOT' definitive, I even praised her for her passion, and said that she was the most prolific contributor, and as such I thanked her. Her response was that, I was insignificant, she TOLD me what I 'was' and 'wasn't,' she used her words to DEFINE me as if she could possibly know me, She used condescension and aloofness to put me in the place she puts all that merely offer Constructive Criticism, she does not need defending. She can take care of herself. You went to her aid merely because of her sex, assuming a kind, demure, delicate nurturing, creature of the fairer sex, while I'm not saying she's Satan, she sure the hell isn't the nice creature you believe her to be, requiring your chivalry. She 'appears' to be, by all indications, an elitist, and they're synonymous with a bigot as far as I'm concerned, and I have no love for bigots. Of course I could be wrong, remember I said that it 'appears' as such.
My advise to you is to not jump into the MIDDLE of a conflict as if you know the WHOLE of it, when in fact you HAVE NO CLUE, What's that saying about a book and it's cover? Should I treat her in kind? Of course not, because it reduces me, but sometimes people in my situation need to blow off steam, and what's the real harm? So what if people see me in a negative light, they only know what they 'think they see' in this extremely limited medium. Trust me when I say that if Barbara was drowning I'd be the first one in the water to pull her out and save her life, despite my harsh words, because I respect all life for it's miraculousness, even that of my would be enemies.
Since this is all about the philosophy of mind, what can be said of people that act like her, how about me? Constructively speaking of course!
Oh and if you require seeing Barbara's and my exchange from the beginning, it starts on page 154. And in case she decides to edit, I've saved the HTML code for that page.
Much, much later!
Re: Philosophy of Mind
I figured it out: BB is just the post modern gernerator stiptting out computer generated ramblings upon the input 'greek philosophers'.Barbara Brooks wrote:"He smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul;" for in this verse Homer has clearly supposed the power which reasons about the better and worse to be different from anger which is rebuked by it.
The rational principle, which is wise, ought have the care of the whole mind, to rule, and the passionate or spirited principle to be the ally?
Socrates believed the united influence of music and gymnastics will bring them into accord, nerving and sustaining the reason with noble words and lessons, and moderating and soothing and civilizing the wildness of passion by harmony and rhythm?
And one is courageous whose spirit retains, in pleasure and in pain, the commands of reason about what he ought to fear or ought not to fear.
Both together will be the best defenders of the whole mind and the whole body against attacks from without; one counseling, and the other fighting under his or her leader, and courageously executing commands and counsels. And he is to be deemed courageous whose spirit retains in pleasure and in pain the commands of reason about what he ought or ought not to fear?
The wise have in them that little part which ought to rule, and we should not rebel.
'She' is not a real person. Its a ruse.